Rocket brands/where to buy

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    Sorry if this has already been posted, but I’m looking for other companies to try out. I’ve gone through a bunch of Estes kits and am looking for something bigger and more challenging. Not really sure of what brands/models are good. Most don’t have any reviews on their sites. Also, for engines larger than E, where can I find them? Not many places in my area sell rocketry stuff. Thanks!!!
     
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    If you ever make it to Dayton where eRockets is located you can get a tour. Randy, the owner, LOVES giving tours. He claims the biggest selection of rocket kits in the world. He also has motors too. eRockets is where our club meets every Tuesday afternoon/night and anyone who happens to be in the area is welcome to attend our meeting.

    If you ever plan on stopping by you can order your stuff online to be picked up when you get there. We have a motor vendor in our club who handles A to M motors, so if Randy doesn't have it Merlin Missile Solutions probably does.
     
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    So I’m checking out the mach1 page. Will I need a new pad to launch off their rockets? If I went above an 18mm engine? I currently only have a porta pad
     
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    I've launched g76's off the Portal Pad E -- lay a brick or sandbag across the feet.
     
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    Thanks. So what I’m seeing is that I can use basically any engine as long as I get the right sized mm for them? Within reason of course.
     
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    It's a start, I'm not getting picky.
     
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    I would recommend LOC Precision. The kits are complete, like Estes and include everything needed to make a flyable rocket. They are also wood fins, cardboard tubes, and plastic nose cones. You can use wood glue to assemble but the build goes faster with 5 minute epoxy. The instructions are way less than Estes.
    You can fly them like your Estes rockets as long as you use G or smaller motors AND the liftoff weight is under 1500 grams. (3 lb. 4 oz. There are details I won't go into here). I strongly recommend finding a club that already has a field and you'll get to see a range of other rockets :D:)
     
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    Nope. Not certified. Just starting to get into rocketry. Made and launched about 15 Estes of all sizes and am looking to go bigger
     
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    Unfortunately I haven’t been able to find any clubs anywhere around me.
     
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    Go to Apogee Components (apogeerockets.com). You will be glad you did
     
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    What Estes rockets have you launched? What size engines have you used?

    If you've been launching A/B/C powered rockets, Estes Pro Series II is a great step-up, but the vendors discussed above have a lot of F/G powered rockets that are just as good.
    If you've been launching F/G powered rockets, then you're looking to get into an area that Estes doesn't serve. The above vendors have lots of Level-1 class rockets; find a good kit, build a rocket, and you'll have to find a club (or a launch) in order to get your HPR Level 1 so you can buy motors (Yes, it's a chicken-and-egg situation, but most vendors will sell you a motor for your certification flight).
     
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    I’ve launched up to the Estes E engine. From what I’m seeing and with the areas I have to launch, G engines is about the biggest I’ll be able to do, and probably about the biggest I want to do at this time as well
     
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    Correct motor mount yes, but also your launch lug and launch rod need to match -- you may have already been using 3/16 in or 1/4 in, just putting that out there.

    At some point weight vs. rod length, stiffness will become an issue especially with bigger birds on windier days.

    It sounds like you're exploring how big you can go under FAR101, so I highly recommend the Aerotech g76 green reload in their 29/40-120 case. HazMat free shipping, lots of boot off the pad.

    Good luck!
     
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    Don't know where in Michigan you are located but there are three clubs all in lower lower Michigan.
    JMRC flies west of jackson and sometimes at Mich International Speedway.
    http://www.jmrconline.org/
    Smash and MMAR fly west of muskegon.
    http://www.smashrocketry.org/index.html
    Michiana Rocketry flies in Three Oaks thru the winter up to May
    http://www.michianarocketry.org/
    If you can make it to any of their launches they are all set up to launch bigger rockets and they almost always have a vender onsite for motors.
    So if you build something too big for your field you may have to take a drive.
    Welcome to the forum.
     
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    Exactly. I’m looking to see how big I can go without having to do the level
    1 stuff.

    I have a 1/4 in launch rod so that isn’t an issue. But I’ll keep in mind about stiffness and length. Never thought of that. There’s a lot more to take in and think about than I initially thought, but that’s a good thing.

    I have been looking at the aerotech g76. So from my understanding it’s a reloadable casing and I just reload it myself with materials from aerotech?
     
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    I’m in SE lower MI. Monroe area. Not too far from MIS.
     
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    Looks like about an hours drive to the Jackson launch field. That's not to bad, I'm an hour twenty from Muskegon
     
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    With the aerotech g76, I need to buy a casing and reloads??? I’m a little confused on it
     
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    Yes the G76 is a RMS which is a reload for a 29/40-120 motor case.
    A G77, G78, and G79 are single use motors.
    I have a 29/40-120 case but I mostly fly single use.
    Reloads are a little cheaper, until you lose the rocket, and the motor case.
     
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    With a Reloadable motor (For example, an Aerotech RMS motor), you need to buy the case and closures, then you can reload it with a wide variety of different propellants. For 'G' size, perhaps $5-$10 cheaper for each shot, once you have the case, and much more flexible in terms of the thrust, impulse, and propellant types available. It's kind of neat to be able to build up a motor from component parts; one way to do that without investing in a case is buying an Aerotech LMS motor - they get built up like an RMS motor, but the case is only designed for one use.
    With a Disposable motor (For example, the Aerotech DMS or Econojet motors), everything comes together in one baggy. You slide the motor into your rocket, insert the included igniter, stand way back, and push the button. When you recover the rocket, you pull the motor out and dispose of it. A lot more convenient, a bit more expensive and less flexible.
    Personally, I'm a fan of the Aerotech DMS or Econojet disposable motors; but I simply don't fly that much, so they're very convenient for me.
     
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    Another good place is
    buyrocketmotors.com
    They have kits and motors and they don't display anything on their website they they don't have in stock.
    I've bought 5 Aerotech G-80 single use motors at a time to spread out the "Haz-Mat" costs and the price was cheaper than buying at a "walk in price".
    They even threw in a delay adjustment tool for free!!!
    Fast shipment and no BS.
    Take a look!

    SS
     
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    So I think I’m going to go with a Mach1 from their BT55 line. 24mm engine. Does that sound like a good start?? Or should I just go to a 29?
     
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    If you like rockets, you'll probably find yourself with kits in both motor sized anyway (and more!), so get a kit you like the look of and build away!

    Caution: don't stick the largest motor you can order in there the first time round. Especially if you're not flying at a large high power field
     
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    Micro buttons go with MakerBeam 10mm and 15mm rails available on Amazon, as well as 15mm OpenBeam rails.

    Mini buttons go with 20mm Misumi rails.

    1010 buttons go with 1 inch rails (1010 rails, or aluminum T slot extrusions).

    1515 buttons go with 1.5 inch rails (1515 rails).

    edited to correct due to post below.
     
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