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FWIW...

Gary was out at Turkey Shoot on Saturday with a couple baggies in his hand: redline loads for the 29/120 and 38/120 cases. He wanted to demo them but the launch got blown out. At least we now know for sure...

They are coming!
 
Yay!

Now that I have the 38mm closures, I can just buy the 38/120 case for (relatively) cheap!

Yay!

Jason
 
Hey daveyfire, did he provide a guestimate of the motor classification for those two loads?
 
I don't know about the availability current or future for the 29/180, but AT has said they will not make one for the 29/40-120. The whys and wherefores have been discussed in another thread.
 
i have an H165, but the season came to a hault, so i couldnt get a bird together to fly it on. i wanted to pop it in dougs SUMO and see how that sucker ripps. but i had work...next year. next year. a redline G would be awesome though.
 
Originally posted by rstaff3
Hey daveyfire, did he provide a guestimate of the motor classification for those two loads?

They were both G60- and G70-somethings. I think like G67 and G73 but I don't remember at all. I do know that Gary is on the forum... and I bet he knows!
 
Gary and Joe are here, but seem to only drop by on occasion, so thanks for the info. I was hoping for the avg impulse of the 29/120 to be over 79, but still would but it anywhere from 40 up :) If he came out with a ~G120 on the 38/120 casing I'd grab one of those too. (ie half an H242 :))
 
Originally posted by daveyfire
FWIW...

At least we now know for sure...

They are coming!


W00t! thanks for the word, Daveyfire
 
Originally posted by daveyfire
They were both G60- and G70-somethings. I think like G67 and G73 but I don't remember at all. I do know that Gary is on the forum... and I bet he knows!

I would think that the 29/120 Redline would be a G80-something and the 38/120 Redline would be a G70-something because usually the numbers of Redline loads regardless of case size are higher than that of White Lightning loads.

Blue Thunder reloads for those casings would be cool, hopefully they're around the corner too.:D
 
Originally posted by Donaldsrockets
I would think that the 29/120 Redline would be a G80-something and the 38/120 Redline would be a G70-something because usually the numbers of Redline loads regardless of case size are higher than that of White Lightning loads.

I was surprised too... maybe to get the chamber pressures down reasonably Gary lowered the Kns? Or maybe it's just me forgetting something. But I remember being surprised...

Gary throw us a line here :p
 
Oh, now I've gone and dood it!

I ordered the 38/120 case and a G61W reload from Performance Hobbies last night. Mostly as a result of this thread.

Thanks guys! Sheesh! Make me spend more money!(sarcasm)

Can't wait to try it out!

Jason
 
sweet. i think when i cert lvl 2 im going to get the entire line of casings for 38mm. that'd be sweeeeet. right now i only have 240-480
 
The Redline™ load for the 29/120 case is a G77R.

The Redline™ load for the 38/120 case is a G67R.

The 29/120 load was designed to operate at a lower pressure so that it would stay below 80 N average thrust, and therefore remain in the model rocket category with no user certification required.

Both loads have been submitted to TMT for certification testing, ETA 12/12/04.
 
actually, average thrust doesnt determine model from high power. its total impulse. anything classified as a G is absolutely positively legal,(for lack of a better term) to fly, as long as the TOTAL impulse does not exceed 160Ns. which would be a 100% G motor. so no matter what G motor it is, its got 160Ns or less, and therefore is safe to fly with no cert. and as you progress up the line of the alphabet, the total impulse doubles. so if a full G is 160Ns, then the next highest is an H, so it would be 320Ns TOTAL impulse for a FULL H motor. that doesnt mean it can't be less, but it means it can't be more than 320, and it can't be less than 161 or else its not an H.

AVERAGE impulse is a different thing. if i had a G160(i dont even think anyone makes one...but just as an example) then i would KNOW that that motor will burn for 1 second exactly. because a G motor has 160Ns of total impulse. however, if i had a G320, then i would know that THAT motor would only burn for HALF a second, because its got twice the impulse and in order for it to be a G, it would have to burn for less than a second. PM me if you still dont understand, its not the easiest concept, but it gets more understandable the more you work with it.
 
woops, actually, considering your status(which i failed to recognize in your signature) i'd say its a safe bet that you already know...so what did you mean? you wanted a longer burning G so you didnt go full? please dont take offense to anything i said, its all in helpful spirits, as many people confuse impulse numbers like that.

BTW, thanks for the update on the redline loads.
 
Ridermon,

Anything over 80newton secs of Average thrust is not a model rocket motor, and needs certification, even if an A motor.

IE an A90 would need certification to fly.

please read NFPA 1122 and 1127.

the AeroTech G125 was such a rocket motor.

It blows the plastic fins off Estes Eliminators as it hits transonic, he he he

By Grapthar's Hammer, what a Motor !
 
Any motor with over 80 N average thrust (F101, G125 for example) is considered a high power motor under NFPA/NAR/TRA rules and cannot be sold without user certification.

From NFPA 1125:

3.3.26.2 High Power Rocket Motor. A rocket motor that has more than 160 N-sec but no more than 40,960 N-sec of total impulse, or that produces an average thrust of greater than 80 N, or that contains greater than 62.5 g (2.2 oz) of propellant.

3.3.26.4 Model Rocket Motor. A rocket motor that has a total impulse of no greater than 160 N-sec, an average thrust of no greater than 80 N, and a propellant weight of no greater than 62.5 g (2.2 oz).
 
Originally posted by garoq
The Redline™ load for the 29/120 case is a G77R.

The Redline™ load for the 38/120 case is a G67R.

The 29/120 load was designed to operate at a lower pressure so that it would stay below 80 N average thrust, and therefore remain in the model rocket category with no user certification required.

Both loads have been submitted to TMT for certification testing, ETA 12/12/04.

Sweet! Thanks for the real info!
 
w00t! :D:D:D

Thanks for the info Gary! Can't wait to order a few of these up!

Do you have any pictures of these motors in operation? I'd love to see how much flame is produced!

Thanks,
Jason Toft (you met me at the China House restaurant during ROCStock XX)
 
Liam is disapointed that no one flamed him about his remarks ;). We were hanging out today, and he told me about this thread. And I say.. uh... Liam... and then I filled him in on this. He feels bad about it.
 
Sorry, no photos yet. :(

Plume is relatively large and bright, though.
 
Originally posted by garoq
The Redline™ load for the 29/120 case is a G77R.

The Redline™ load for the 38/120 case is a G67R.

The 29/120 load was designed to operate at a lower pressure so that it would stay below 80 N average thrust, and therefore remain in the model rocket category with no user certification required.

Both loads have been submitted to TMT for certification testing, ETA 12/12/04.

Thanks Gary :) Hey, I was pretty close on the designations after a five-hour car ride!
 
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