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Canadians can go to the US with motors for sure, but maybe not so with US citizens coming back into Canada? But we can't come back into Canada with them.
HPR? Maybe something has changed. Do you have to fill out any importation forms? How are you declaring them?
Of course it has been a long time since I flew in Canada so maybe it has changed. Good news if so.
 
I have to go back and check the documents. I had originally planned to do my L1 down in Vermont. Didn't get there for a year, and then COVID happened. At the time, it was fine to bring as much APCP over as you intended to fly, and a certain amount of BP motors, equivalent to 6 E motors, if I recall. It may depend on border crossing, though. The one that would be used to go down to the CRMRC is small and has seen it many times, so maybe they don't ask as many questions.

I'll take some time and look it up again.
 
Steve, Tyler,
(haha, Aerosmith!! :D )

As far as I know, nothing has changed for transporting in either direction:
CD to US: 6 "E" BP / as much APCL you are certified to fly in a day / duration (not for resell or...) - see notes 1 & 2
US to CD: 6 "E" BP motors only. APCL requires paperwork!!

As far as I know, Canadians are supposed to have passed the TC [Transport Canada] regs test to transport HPR motors within Canada.. Grey area #1.. And I assume this is between a Canadian place of residence to a Canadian launch [CAR only?]. see note 3

Note 1: As far as I know, this only applies to Canadians entering the US. US citizens bringing motors into the US may be under a different set of rules, but I don't see why.. (I also don't see why someone from Indiana would buy motors in Canada, when there is a very good reseller close by.. :D )

Note 2: I would assume it is with whom you are certified. If certified with CAR, your L2 would be only a J, where as NAR /TRA would be a K. But then again, from what I understand, CAR cert levels are recognized (and adjusted to meet) NAR & TRA certs for NAR/TRA events. But CAR is not recognized at NAR/TRA [US] events due to insurance restrictions. As I understand it: if you are CAR L3, you can fly L2 at TRA / NAR events, but must join either to have valid insurance while at the event. Grey area #2, as I know some have flown at NAR /TAR events with only CAR.. (and visa versa, rumours only though - see note 3)

Note 3: While CAR/TRA/NAR all seem to share intent & recognize each other, only TRA & NAR are pretty much interchangeable. {I can fly at LDRS despite being NAR: I'm insured} CAR has some stipulations that aren't reciprocal.. {I can't fly at CAR events despite my NAR membership: insurance not recognized. But some US based NAR/TRA people have apparently come up to CAR events & have flown at their adjusted cert level; no CAR needed (or TC test taken)} It's confusing, and I feel the three (CAR more so) need to sit & work things out to better understand & spell out each other's expectations & requirements & limitations. CAR [seem to] have tighter rules & regulations regarding HPR..


And yes, it is best to get in touch with an Import specialist in the country you intend to bring motors / pyrotechnics / etc.. into. This way, you are covered when the guy in the booth disputes your "claim to do so". I have a transcript between me and a US import specialist stipulating so. (And one agent in secondary appreciated it, and said: "you obviously know more than I do. have a good day!")
 
Hey All

I don't know the requirements for CDN to US transport but here is a link to the Explosive regulations on the Canada side which chats about import limits to Canada.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/PDF/SOR-2013-211.pdf

These are under review. Part 15 is model and HPR. importation limits are part 4 (specifically page 24), no permit importation indicates max 6 motors from A to E, F - G and HPR motors must use an import permit.

TRA and NAR can fly in Canada as their own organizations but must fly under the same rule set as CAR/ACF does. Transport Canada sets the conditions.
https://canadianrocketry.org/resources/Documents/tc_hpr_reqs_jan00.pdf

These are also under review with the expectation the new rules will deal with all Amateur rocketry up to mid T impulses. (TRA research style launches can happen). Hybrids and liquids process is included

Across Canada we are conducting CAR/ACF and TRA combined launches (mostly Alberta) The same can happen with NAR but we have not had any NAR sections doing HPR, that I know of. CAR/ACF members are not covered outside Canada for insurance which is why you must join another organization to fly there.

Hope this helps, having someone brings their experience to the table is great but always read the documentation as things get morphed with third hand accounts and may not be relevant or misleading. Paul's advise to get to the source when doing any cross boarder transactions is great advise.

David
 
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