Neil_W's half-baked design thread

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  1. Nov 12, 2019 #841

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    Here it is with lengthened stripes. I found that with the full complement of 6 stripes, it was way too much, so I went back to two stripes, one on each side. I also lengthened the points on the nose cone, which I think gives the impression of a longer cone (sort of).
    upload_2019-11-12_18-3-53.png

    Then I tried this modification, for a little more consistency with the tail:
    upload_2019-11-12_18-8-39.png

    I have no immediate opinion on these yet. I *might* like the second one.
     
  2. Nov 12, 2019 #842

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    I actually love the fin stripes. It's like plasma spots barely contained behind a grating or vent

    (unsure about the blocky forward stripe)
     
  3. Nov 13, 2019 #843

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    It looks tricky to me, but I suppose you can accomplish much of the graphics with decals.

    I'm in total agreement with Nytrunner here. I have changed my tune, those graphics have convinced me that the plasma can work well outside of the plasma core. I agree, there is a sort of vent effect, it especially works well with the contrasting black and white fins.

    Did you tone down the saturation from post #830? I still like the nose cone treatment in post #830 the best.
     
  4. Nov 13, 2019 #844

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    Yeah, almost all the hard stuff is decals. Mask is simpler than my usual.

    I did, though, notice that the warp core is 12.5" long, which means I'll have to piece each segment together from two pieces. That is not great.

    Ha, I was starting to lean the other way. :)

    Yeah, saturation is all over the place; on those previous images I bumped the saturation of the final image rather than update all the decals. Forgot to do it this time.

    I am tending to agree about the nose treatment. That previous one is not perfect (I guess nothing is) but it has a unique flavor to it that I can't recall seeing before, so it scores a bit for originality if nothing else. I expect I'll still mess with it plenty between now and whenever I build it.

    I'm not thrilled about the stubby nose cone, but I can probably live with it.
     
  5. Nov 13, 2019 #845

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    You could pick a vendor and order a custom one.
     
  6. Nov 13, 2019 #846

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    Alternate fin design:
    upload_2019-11-13_11-1-54.png

    (yes I cranked the saturation back up)
     
  7. Nov 13, 2019 #847

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    I liked post 841, especially the contrast with the black fin. Doesn’t “pop” as much with the white fin. As said, gives the idea of plasm venting.

    My wife on the other hand is not too happy when I vent during rocket building!
     
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  8. Nov 13, 2019 #848

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    I think post #840 is still my favorite, followed by #841.
     
  9. Nov 13, 2019 #849

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    Yes, I like the vented look.
    Plus, you never know when you're going to have to vent plasma from your disabled ship as a signal flare.:D
     
  10. Nov 13, 2019 #850

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    Post #841 pic 1 is my favorite. I'm not a fan of the plasma dotted line on the nose.

    Regarding the sequence of plasma stripes on the fins, it doesn't work as well on the black fin as on the white. On the white all six stripes are clear, even as they fade to white on the right (the long stripe). But on the black fin, as the stripes fade to black the last two are invisible. The same goes for the pic in post #846 with the saturation back up to full. I don't know what to do about it, except just maybe try eliminating the fades, or the large end fades altogether.
    At times like that you're supposed to jettison the fuel and ignite it.
     
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  11. Nov 13, 2019 #851

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    upload_2019-11-13_13-31-37.png

    (BTW I'm now pretty sick of this design, gonna need to step away for a while)
     
  12. Nov 13, 2019 #852

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    I agree, I need to adjust the stripes on the black fin so they're more consistent with the white fin. Will get to that.
     
  13. Nov 13, 2019 #853

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    1 (red/orange) if you stay white

    2 (OG green) if you go battleship gray

    Good, let it percolate. maybe use a giant pencil to jot down thoughts as they come
     
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    Dang it, I'm going to have to throw together a version with the grey. I don't know what it'll look like.
     
  15. Nov 13, 2019 #855

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    I thought you were taking a break

    (It'll look a lot like the original paint palate :cool: )
     
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    Don't use the eraser if you change your mind though.;)
     
  17. Nov 13, 2019 #857

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    I think the most recent change is always my favorite... *sigh*
     
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    Surprised it took so long for someone to suggest it. :)

    I'll build one.... plenty of other builders out there to cover the others. ;)

    Might look nice with the third fin as grey instead of white...
    upload_2019-11-13_14-33-29.png

    (damn, hard to tell the different in a picture)
     
  20. Nov 13, 2019 #860

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    That looks fantastic
     
  21. Nov 13, 2019 #861

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    Argh, I just realized that grey background will make the decaling process an order of magnitude more difficult.

    Gonna have to stick with black and white, sorry bud.
     
  22. Nov 13, 2019 #862

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    Any other color votes from #851?
     
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    Just my opinion buds, but if you're getting sick of this design and need to step away then you may be overanalyzing.
    This isn't design by committee.
    Beware of paralysis by analysis.
    Go with your gut, this is your rocket after all.
    Remember, you're supposed to be having fun.
     
  24. Nov 13, 2019 #864

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    Speaking only for myself: this *is* fun. :)

    Still I can overdose twiddling with the fine details and need to step back for a while. That’s where I am on this one right now. Happy where I’ve gotten so far though.
     
  25. Nov 14, 2019 #865

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    You said that back in #851. So step away already.
     
  26. Nov 20, 2019 #866

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    I wanted to make this a legit successor to the Diamond Cutter but in my first pass here is it too similar. Sort of like a love child of DC and PD, for the builder who really *loves* making paper shrouds. Not sure if I like this better than the original or not. Paint job is obviously just temporary.

    Also, I seem to like to make it as difficult as possible to locate the launch lugs. :rolleyes:

    I may or may not twiddle with this one further.
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  27. Nov 20, 2019 #867

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    The thread is coming full circle

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  28. Nov 20, 2019 #868

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    I keep wanting to get back to that one...
     
  29. Nov 20, 2019 #869

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    When I look at this rocket I wait for the .gif to start because it really looks like the sections with 6 fins should spin :)

    -Bob
     
  30. Nov 20, 2019 #870

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    Yeah, that would work. :)

    A project for the truly ambitious (and masochistic...)
     

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