My scratch launcher circuit

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Any issues with this design? Includes a primary and a remote. The primary can fire an LPR, or hook it up to the 200' extension wire and use the remote for more "experimental" launches ;-)

No the continuity LED is not hard to see. It (and the rest) are 10mm, and VERY bright!

It's served me well all summer and fall.

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Stick with E12 series resistance values if possible. 10,12,15,18,22,24,27,33,39,56,68,82 repeated, multiplied or divided by a factor of 10.
  • 1.0, 1.2, 1.5, 1.8, 2.2, 2.7, 3.3, 3.9, 4.7, 5.6, 6.8, 8.2,
  • 10, 12, 15, 18, 22, 27, 33, 39, 47, 56, 68, 82,
  • 100, 120, 150, 180, 220, 270, 330, 390, 470, 560, 680, 820,
  • 1 k, 1.2 k, 1.5 k, 1.8 k, 2.2 k, 2.7 k, 3.3 k, 3.9 k, 4.7 k, 5.6 k, 6.8 k, 8.2 k,
  • 10 k, 12 k, 15 k, 18 k, 22 k, 27 k, 33 k, 39 k, 47 k, 56 k, 68 k, 82 k,
  • 100 k, 120 k, 150 k, 180 k, 220 k, 270 k, 330 k, 390 k, 470 k, 560 k, 680 k, 820 k,
  • 1 M, 1.2 M, 1.5 M, 1.8 M, 2.2 M, 2.7 M, 3.3 M, 3.9 M, 4.7 M, 5.6 M, 6.8 M, 8.2 M,
  • 10 M
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_series_of_preferred_numbers
For your circuit assuming red led with Vf of 1.2v and max current of 20mA
V=IR (14.2-1.2)/0.02=R
R=650
nearest preferred value=680 Ohm
Wattage rating for resistor W=VI or substituting I=V/R W=V^2/R 13^2/680
=0.248W. So at least a 1/4W resistor rating 0.25W


A 12V battery is never 12V. It varies between fully charged 14.2, to 11 flat, for a lead acid battery. Use the worst possible voltage for your safety calculations.
This is true for ANY battery.

If you are using a fully regulated power supply that fixed voltage is what you'd use. However, fully regulated supplies can fail. How critical is your circuit? What happens when the power supply fails?
There was a power supply I used to use that would chuck out 32V when it failed. And it did fail. We had to get a special circuit to protect the rest of the equipment as it was over $1000 downstream of the power supply. Plus the chaos it caused. So these things can, and do happen. We eventually used another brand.
 
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Both supplies are lead acid. 500 Ohms should still keep the current under 30ma. Do you feel this poses a significant amount of risk? I'm still green, but I've not heard of starters/igniters with a firing current anywhere near that low.
 
Both supplies are lead acid. 500 Ohms should still keep the current under 30ma. Do you feel this poses a significant amount of risk? I'm still green, but I've not heard of starters/igniters with a firing current anywhere near that low.
The max safe no fire current through an igniter is? Max safe test current? MJG. check through all their product.
500 Ohm resistors are a non standard value. They're not even part of the E192 series....... E12 series is a standard set of values. Work with that. They're readily available for everyone.







Max no fire current is 0.3A or 300mA
Max safe test current is 0.04A or40mA
Now work your way through all the other brands. If you can find the data. (Cessaroni has confirmed they use MJG as the basis for their initiator)
 
I don't see any issues but
Geez, do you really need a 250 amp starter solenoid?
Standard 12 volt 20 amp auto relay is sufficient.
 
Geez, do you really need a 250 amp starter solenoid?
Standard 12 volt 20 amp auto relay is sufficient.

Better to have it and not need it... 😄

Actually, if relay contacts are significantly overrated they will eventually corrode/oxidize and provide poor connection in the future. The high current relays actually rely on the high current when making/breaking to vaporize this build up.

I've built systems with literally thousands of relays in them. We always have to check our design to ensure the relays are rated to handle the current, but not be too overrated to prevent this corrosion/oxidation issue.

Note, a little sandpaper now and then can be used to clean the contacts, so long as you have access to them....
 
Actually, if relay contacts are significantly overrated they will eventually corrode/oxidize and provide poor connection in the future. The high current relays actually rely on the high current when making/breaking to vaporize this build up.

I've built systems with literally thousands of relays in them. We always have to check our design to ensure the relays are rated to handle the current, but not be too overrated to prevent this corrosion/oxidation issue.

Note, a little sandpaper now and then can be used to clean the contacts, so long as you have access to them....
This is good advice. One thing I don't see is a diode across the relay coil to snub the inductive kick.
 
One thing I don't see is a diode across the relay coil to snub the inductive kick
Yup. Didn't really look at the schematic. Definitely want a snubbing diode across the relay coil.
If I interpret things correctly, the Primary Launch Box wires labels To/From Relay Coil connect to the +/- Primary firing lead that connects to the coil, correct? You want the diode across the coil at the solenoid in the Remote Launch Box. Otherwise, you will damage the SW1 and/or the keyed automotive ignition switch.
 
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