Motor Manufacturer round-up

[JohnCoker]

I'm trying to clean up the no-longer-available motors on ThrustCurve.org, and one quick way to do that is by identifying defunct manufacturers. I did a quick spin through the existing manufacturers to see which ones no longer have an active web site, but that's not really definitive.

• AeroTech: active
• Alpha Hybrids: active?
• Animal Motor Works: some available from CTI
• Apogee Components: relabeled AT
• Cesaroni Technology: active
• Contrail Rockets: active?
• Ellis Mountain: gone
• Estes Industries: active
• Gorilla Rocket Motors: active
• Hypertek: available from CTI?
• Kosdon by AeroTech: available from AT
• Kosdon TRM: gone
• Loki Research: active?
• Propulsion Polymers: gone?
• Public Missiles, Ltd.: relabeled AT
• Quest Aerospace: active
• R.A.T.T. Works: active?
• Roadrunner Rocketry: active?
• Rocketvision Flight-Star: gone
• Sky Ripper Systems: gone?
• Southern Cross Rocketry: active
• West Coast Hybrids: active?

If you have more specific information, please post it here. For active manufacturers (other than the "big four"), I also need a current product list so that I can mark motors no longer produced.

 

[Jeroen_at_CTI]

• Animal Motor Works: some available from CTI

The AMWProX reloads are available from CTI. Not the Classic AMW reloads.

• Hypertek: available from CTI?

Correct. Through our Hypertek dealer network.

Jeroen

 

[CarVac]

I'm trying to clean up the no-longer-available motors on ThrustCurve.org, and one quick way to do that is by identifying defunct manufacturers. I did a quick spin through the existing manufacturers to see which ones no longer have an active web site, but that's not really definitive.

• AeroTech: active
• Alpha Hybrids: active?
• Animal Motor Works: some available from CTI
• Apogee Components: relabeled AT
• Cesaroni Technology: active
• Contrail Rockets: active?
• Ellis Mountain: gone
• Estes Industries: active
• Gorilla Rocket Motors: active
• Hypertek: available from CTI?
• Kosdon by AeroTech: available from AT
• Kosdon TRM: gone
• Loki Research: active?
• Propulsion Polymers: gone?
• Public Missiles, Ltd.: relabeled AT
• Quest Aerospace: active
• R.A.T.T. Works: active?
• Roadrunner Rocketry: active?
• Rocketvision Flight-Star: gone
• Sky Ripper Systems: gone?
• Southern Cross Rocketry: active
• West Coast Hybrids: active?

If you have more specific information, please post it here. For active manufacturers (other than the "big four"), I also need a current product list so that I can mark motors no longer produced.

Loki is active.

https://lokiresearch.com/secure/store.asp?groupid=831200410431019

Also, perhaps you need a new field indicating whether a motor is legal in California.

 

[shreadvector]

What about manufacturers of "Model Aircraft Parts"??

:y:

 

[bobkrech]

• AeroTech: active
• Alpha Hybrids: Supplies reloads for existing users. https://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?14868-Alpha-Hybrids-closing-out-inventory
• Animal Motor Works: some available from CTI
• Apogee Components: relabeled AT
• Cesaroni Technology: active
• Contrail Rockets: active
• Ellis Mountain: gone
• Estes Industries: active
• Gorilla Rocket Motors: active
• Hypertek: available from CTI: active from Hypertek dealers
• Kosdon by AeroTech: available from AT
• Kosdon TRM: gone
• Loki Research: active
• Propulsion Polymers: gone
• Public Missiles, Ltd.: relabeled AT
• Quest Aerospace: active merged with AT
• R.A.T.T. Works: active https://www.rattworks.net/
• Roadrunner Rocketry: gone
• Rocketvision Flight-Star: gone
• Sky Ripper Systems: gone
• Southern Cross Rocketry: active
• West Coast Hybrids: appears to be active? https://westcoasthybrids.homestead.com/
  
  Bob

 

[legranddudu]

I confirm, Contrail active and very responsive. At least to me

 

[Loki Research]

For active manufacturers (other than the "big four"), I also need a current product list so that I can mark motors no longer produced.

Okay, so I've got the big two.......not sure about three and four John.

Current Loki production motors are on the website here if you need them.

 

[Salvage-1]

Correct. Through our Hypertek dealer network.

Jeroen

Glad to hear this, I have been interested in a Hybrid but when i checked out the HyperTek website and noticed it hadnt been updated in around 10 years, i thought it was defunct. Back to my search!!


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edit
just checked out Black Dog Rocketry and they state "NOTICE: Due to lack of manufacturer supply I have NO HyperTEK components in stock."

 

[JDcluster]

Rocket Vision Motors were just relabeled AT SU motors:
F 101, F 72, G 55's.

JD

• AeroTech: active
• Alpha Hybrids: Supplies reloads for existing users. https://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?14868-Alpha-Hybrids-closing-out-inventory
• Animal Motor Works: some available from CTI
• Apogee Components: relabeled AT
• Cesaroni Technology: active
• Contrail Rockets: active
• Ellis Mountain: gone
• Estes Industries: active
• Gorilla Rocket Motors: active
• Hypertek: available from CTI: active from Hypertek dealers
• Kosdon by AeroTech: available from AT
• Kosdon TRM: gone
• Loki Research: active
• Propulsion Polymers: gone
• Public Missiles, Ltd.: relabeled AT
• Quest Aerospace: active merged with AT
• R.A.T.T. Works: active https://www.rattworks.net/
• Roadrunner Rocketry: gone
• Rocketvision Flight-Star: gone
• Sky Ripper Systems: gone
• Southern Cross Rocketry: active
• West Coast Hybrids: appears to be active? https://westcoasthybrids.homestead.com/
  
  Bob

 

[cwbullet]

When did Roadrunner shutdown?

 

[RoyAtl]

Not sure when RoadRunner shutdown, but based on the existing web site I contacted him late last year to see if I could be a site dealer, and he confirmed that he is not producing anything and starting back up doesn't look likely since he no longer has the time to operate the company.

 

[cwbullet]

That is a shame. There is becoming less and less competition. There used to be 10-12 motor makers. 5-10 launch pad makers. Hopefully, the economy will improve and with it, so does the competition.

 

[markkoelsch]

I am all for competition. Still, what we are seeing is at least partially related to the outcome of competition.

Aerotech and CTI are selling. Loki is probably struggling, which is a direct result of competition. Loki makes fine motors. I have no idea how Gorilla is doing. I think the reality is that we are a very finite market, and ultimately we as a group may not be able to support 10-12 motor manufacturers. A small, niche hobby, a down economy, and competition means that some marginal manufacturers will fail.


Mark Koelsch
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[cwbullet]

I don't disagree. I think 10-12 is excessive, but I think there is room for another major manufacturer.

 

[JohnCoker]

I'm continuing to update the list. Please let me know if you know that any of the manufacturers still listed as active is actually defunct. (Some if them haven't updated their website in years, which is suspicious.)
thrustcurve.org/mfrsearch.jsp

 

[bobkrech]

I'm continuing to update the list. Please let me know if you know that any of the manufacturers still listed as active is actually defunct. (Some if them haven't updated their website in years, which is suspicious.)
thrustcurve.org/mfrsearch.jsp

John

RoadRunner is no longer making motors according to our former site dealer.

Bob

 

[JohnCoker]

RoadRunner is no longer making motors according to our former site dealer.

Thanks, I've updated that manufacturer and the five motors.

 

[DRAGON64]

John - The wRASP link in Thrust Curve is now invalid, as the wRASP site no longer exists.

 

[JohnCoker]

John - The wRASP link in Thrust Curve is now invalid, as the wRASP site no longer exists.

Thanks, I removed the reference. I guess I need to get a broken link checker service set up...

 

[ksaves2]

What about manufacturers of "Model Aircraft Parts"??

:y:

Very good Fred. I wonder how many get it? ;-) Kurt ("He Who Must Not Be Named!")

 

[JohnCoker]

I've sent an email to West Coast Hybrids. Please let me know if anyone has positive info either way about their status.

 

[JohnCoker]

I confirm, Contrail active and very responsive. At least to me

The site shows updated dates for the products pages as 2008, so I've sent an email asking if they represent current production status.

 

[JohnCoker]

Correct. Through our Hypertek dealer network.

This page seems to have a complete listing of active products; is it up-to-date? Note that the links to TMT (at the bottom) are both broken.

I've updated the status of all Hypertek motors, it appears that 22 are still in production.

 

[edwinshap1]

I am all for competition. Still, what we are seeing is at least partially related to the outcome of competition.

Aerotech and CTI are selling. Loki is probably struggling, which is a direct result of competition. Loki makes fine motors. I have no idea how Gorilla is doing. I think the reality is that we are a very finite market, and ultimately we as a group may not be able to support 10-12 motor manufacturers. A small, niche hobby, a down economy, and competition means that some marginal manufacturers will fail.


Mark Koelsch
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I'd love to buy Loki, AMW, Gorilla, or any other smaller vendor, but they're not approved for launch in California where I do nearly all my launching.

 

[JohnCoker]

All the Contrail motors are still in production, and have been marked as such.

 

[JohnCoker]

Here is the current list of manufacturers that have been verified to be still active:

Name	Motors	Notes
AeroTech	212
Animal Motor Works	30	Cesaroni
Apogee Components	2
Cesaroni Technology	285
Contrail Rockets	67
Estes Industries	22
Gorilla Rocket Motors	40
Hypertek	22	Cesaroni
Kosdon by AeroTech	14	AeroTech
Loki Research	37
Quest Aerospace	7	AeroTech
R.A.T.T. Works	9
Southern Cross Rocketry	3	Australia only

 

[JDcluster]

Blame that on your State fire Marshal.

JD

I'd love to buy Loki, AMW, Gorilla, or any other smaller vendor, but they're not approved for launch in California where I do nearly all my launching.

 

[edwinshap1]

Blame that on your State fire Marshal.

JD

The fire marshal is actually receptive to change...the problem is changing the laws...

 

[JohnCoker]

Their site is still up, but I have not been able to get a response from West Coast Hybrids by email or phone.