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I thought he would of been on this thread like white on rice!!!
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Originally posted by BobH48
You wouldn't want the alternative face.
That pic is going to be around for a long, LONG time, ain't it???
sheesh!
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Originally posted by Rob Fisher
I thought he would of been on this thread like white on rice!!!
Oh, i'm sure that John will take note... He and I talked a bit during our planning stages and he was a wonderful help with some items (like increasing the size of the Teeny Triskelion from T2+ to T3).
Thanx John!
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Originally posted by BobH48
You wouldn't want the alternative face.
OMG!!! LOL! Best laugh I've had in quite a while! ROTFLMAO!
I'll probably get the Praetor, Triskelion, and Deuce. I'm into motors that are about 5 times as big as these rockets right now, but they'd be cool to pla around with and to take advantage of JonRocket's MMX motor spectactular! (whoops, did I just say that? scroll up for details...)
Just kiddin' Jim.Jason
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Here are some neat images.
Left to right, we have the:
assembled EMK-2.5-4 - Engine mount kit, MMX in a BT-4 (T4) tube
assembled EMK2-2.5-20 - Cluster engine mount kit, two MMX in a BT-20
assembled EMK3-2.5-20 - Cluster engine mount kit, three MMX in a BT-20
Kit form of the EMK3-2.5-20 to show the parts. This kit will include a B/W cover art with instructions on the back of the card. In this kit you get 3 motor tubes, 3 engine blocks (those small rings) and two centering rings. We are looking at adding a small hole to the rings for Kevlar attachment. If we go this route, we will also include a length of Kevlar with each EMK.
The EMK's are 1.125" long
jim
Left to right, we have the:
assembled EMK-2.5-4 - Engine mount kit, MMX in a BT-4 (T4) tube
assembled EMK2-2.5-20 - Cluster engine mount kit, two MMX in a BT-20
assembled EMK3-2.5-20 - Cluster engine mount kit, three MMX in a BT-20
Kit form of the EMK3-2.5-20 to show the parts. This kit will include a B/W cover art with instructions on the back of the card. In this kit you get 3 motor tubes, 3 engine blocks (those small rings) and two centering rings. We are looking at adding a small hole to the rings for Kevlar attachment. If we go this route, we will also include a length of Kevlar with each EMK.
The EMK's are 1.125" long
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They're so CUTE!
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Hmm...for all of you guys out there that are getting into trouble with the ladies, at least now they really won't freak out at the size of the packaging!
I'm in for a mini-Praetor and Deuce. I have 2 packs of MMX motors that I've never really built anything to use them with. Hopefully I'll be able to launch these in a tennis court.
I'm in for a mini-Praetor and Deuce. I have 2 packs of MMX motors that I've never really built anything to use them with. Hopefully I'll be able to launch these in a tennis court.
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Originally posted by eugenefl
Hmm...for all of you guys out there that are getting into trouble with the ladies, at least now they really won't freak out at the size of the packaging!
I'm in for a mini-Praetor and Deuce. I have 2 packs of MMX motors that I've never really built anything to use them with. Hopefully I'll be able to launch these in a tennis court.
Until then, Eugene, you can always build some of the BT-5 downscales that BobH and I have been playing with - the thread is here:
https://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6398
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Originally posted by eugenefl
I'm in for a mini-Praetor and Deuce. I have 2 packs of MMX motors that I've never really built anything to use them with. Hopefully I'll be able to launch these in a tennis court.
I have seen the Duece and the Praetor fly and they are really cool MMX models.
Two packs of MMX motors is not going to be enough.
That's a partial flying session. The last time E-Hobbies had free shipping I got two boxes (12 packs to a box) and I already had 1 1/2 boxes. I can launch these in my back yard so usually go through at least 3 packs of 6 motors each time I have a backyard launch.
You can get 3 free MMX saucers off the Fliskit web site. They are really cool.
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Per a request that I received, here is an updated photo showing the same parts but now labeled with real part numbers
A note on our part numbering scheme (to help you identify how/where these parts could be used:
NCB (Nose Cone, Balsa) followed by a number then a letter (and/or number combo). The number is the BT size it fits, the rest is just an identifier sometimes with logic, sometimes without... So, and NCB-4B would be a nose cone to fit the BT-4 (you would have to see the description for additional detail such as shape and length)
TAB (Transition Adapter, Balsa) followed by numbers strung together followed by a final number. The first set of numbers show the two tubes that the adapter will join and the last number is the length of the adapter in inches, justified 2 decimal places: TAB-5560-01 adapts a BT-55 to a BT-60 and is 1" long and a TAB-35-0037 adapts a BT-3 to a BT-5 and is 0.37" long
NBB (Nose Block, Balsa) followed by a number then a second number. The first number is the tube size, the second number is the lengh in inches justified 2 decimal places: NBB-3-0075 fits the BT-3 and is 0.75" long
CRF (Centering Ring, Fiber) following by two numbers. These numbers identify the tubes that it fits. CRF-3-5 centers a BT-3 inside a BT-5
Other important notes about our numbering schema with respect to micromax items:
FlisKits P/N (Totally Tubular Number)
BT-2 (T2)
BT-2.5 (T2+)
BT-3 (T3)
BT-4 (T4)
In addition to the items shown in the attached photo, we will have the following:
EMK-2.5-3 (Engine mount kit to fit an MMX motor into a BT-3
EMK-2.5-4
EMK-2.5-5
EMK2-2.52-20 (Cluster EMK fits 2 MMX in a BT-20)
EMK3-2.53-20 (3 MMX in a BT-20)
EMK4-2.54-20 (4 MMX in a BT-20)
Nose cones will be sold 1 to a pack as will adapters and nose blocks
Engine blocks will be sold 6 to a pack
Centering rings 6 to a pack
Single motor EMK's will be sold 3 to a pack
Cluster EMK's will be sold 1 to a pack
Body tubes will be sold 3 to a pack
Motor tubes will be sold 6 to a pack
Available body/motor tubes will include:
BT-2.5-0112 (1.125" long motor tube)
BT-2.5-0518 (5.18" long, scale BT-50-18)
BT-2.5-1475 (14.75" long. This will be our standard full length tube)
BT-3-06 (6" long)
BT-3-1475 (14.75")
BT-4-06
BT-4-1475
BT-5-0595 (Scale BT-60-18)
LAUNCH LUGS (10 to a pack)
LL-0-0025 (Launch Lug, .051 ID, 1/4" long)
LL-0-0050 (Launch Lug, 1/2" long)
LL-0-06 (Launch Lug, 6" long (under consideration))
STREAMERS (6 to a pack)
STM-1-6 (1/4" wide streamer material, 6" long)
STM-2-6 (1/2" wide streamer material, 6" long)
STM-3-6 (3/4" wide streamer material, 6" long)
(NOTE: We may also do 12" versions)
PARACHUTES
Not under consideration at this time. Just doesn't seem to be a need...
DETAIL ITEMS:
Not yet defined, but we will be offering a nice selection of thin basswood strips as well as plastic strips and forms.
We hope to have our preliminary pages up in the next week or so, so keep watch.
We are NOT taking pre-orders at this time.
Not all items on this list will be released initially. These will be phased in over a 3-4 month period, begninning in the Sept/Oct timeframe, based on customer reaction and program success.
hope this helps!
jim
A note on our part numbering scheme (to help you identify how/where these parts could be used:
NCB (Nose Cone, Balsa) followed by a number then a letter (and/or number combo). The number is the BT size it fits, the rest is just an identifier sometimes with logic, sometimes without...
So, and NCB-4B would be a nose cone to fit the BT-4 (you would have to see the description for additional detail such as shape and length)TAB (Transition Adapter, Balsa) followed by numbers strung together followed by a final number. The first set of numbers show the two tubes that the adapter will join and the last number is the length of the adapter in inches, justified 2 decimal places: TAB-5560-01 adapts a BT-55 to a BT-60 and is 1" long and a TAB-35-0037 adapts a BT-3 to a BT-5 and is 0.37" long
NBB (Nose Block, Balsa) followed by a number then a second number. The first number is the tube size, the second number is the lengh in inches justified 2 decimal places: NBB-3-0075 fits the BT-3 and is 0.75" long
CRF (Centering Ring, Fiber) following by two numbers. These numbers identify the tubes that it fits. CRF-3-5 centers a BT-3 inside a BT-5
Other important notes about our numbering schema with respect to micromax items:
FlisKits P/N (Totally Tubular Number)
BT-2 (T2)
BT-2.5 (T2+)
BT-3 (T3)
BT-4 (T4)
In addition to the items shown in the attached photo, we will have the following:
EMK-2.5-3 (Engine mount kit to fit an MMX motor into a BT-3
EMK-2.5-4
EMK-2.5-5
EMK2-2.52-20 (Cluster EMK fits 2 MMX in a BT-20)
EMK3-2.53-20 (3 MMX in a BT-20)
EMK4-2.54-20 (4 MMX in a BT-20)
Nose cones will be sold 1 to a pack as will adapters and nose blocks
Engine blocks will be sold 6 to a pack
Centering rings 6 to a pack
Single motor EMK's will be sold 3 to a pack
Cluster EMK's will be sold 1 to a pack
Body tubes will be sold 3 to a pack
Motor tubes will be sold 6 to a pack
Available body/motor tubes will include:
BT-2.5-0112 (1.125" long motor tube)
BT-2.5-0518 (5.18" long, scale BT-50-18)
BT-2.5-1475 (14.75" long. This will be our standard full length tube)
BT-3-06 (6" long)
BT-3-1475 (14.75")
BT-4-06
BT-4-1475
BT-5-0595 (Scale BT-60-18)
LAUNCH LUGS (10 to a pack)
LL-0-0025 (Launch Lug, .051 ID, 1/4" long)
LL-0-0050 (Launch Lug, 1/2" long)
LL-0-06 (Launch Lug, 6" long (under consideration))
STREAMERS (6 to a pack)
STM-1-6 (1/4" wide streamer material, 6" long)
STM-2-6 (1/2" wide streamer material, 6" long)
STM-3-6 (3/4" wide streamer material, 6" long)
(NOTE: We may also do 12" versions)
PARACHUTES
Not under consideration at this time. Just doesn't seem to be a need...
DETAIL ITEMS:
Not yet defined, but we will be offering a nice selection of thin basswood strips as well as plastic strips and forms.
We hope to have our preliminary pages up in the next week or so, so keep watch.
We are NOT taking pre-orders at this time.
Not all items on this list will be released initially. These will be phased in over a 3-4 month period, begninning in the Sept/Oct timeframe, based on customer reaction and program success.
hope this helps!
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Well, thank you Matt, the cat is finally out of bag
In case you have not heard, Quest Aerospace has made the decision and announcement that it will discontinue their production of the Micromaxx line.
Per discussion with the folks at Quest, that privilage has been turned over to FlisKits and to that end we want the input of the Micromaxx community to help us do it right.
You can read more about this announcement in the current Qblog at Quest Aerospace by clicking here.
FlisKits had already been moving towards the production of a small line of Micromaxx model kits. We were planning a release of 1-2 kits in the late 05/early 06 timeframe. After lengthy discussions with the folks at Quest Aerospace we excelerated that release date as well as our involvement in the Micromaxx line.
As you have now seen, we will have a planned 5 kit release in the September/October timeframe. In addition to these kits we will be announcing a large (and growing) line of parts for the Micromaxx enthusiast. This line will include body tubes, nose cones (balsa), adapters, nose blocks, fin stock, recovery materials, engine mount kits, etc, etc, etc.
We will also have designer kits right off the bat. Our line will start out small, but will still be one of the largest in the industry. Our line will GROW with the goal of becoming THE largest in the industry.
But it is all up to you. Our initial line will grow based on acceptance by the Micromaxx community. As with all of our product lines; as with our company, this is YOUR Micromaxx line of products. If you want it to succeed, you need to make it succeed. If you want certain kits and parts, you need to let us know. It is your line, turn it into what YOU want it to be.
jim
In case you have not heard, Quest Aerospace has made the decision and announcement that it will discontinue their production of the Micromaxx line.
Per discussion with the folks at Quest, that privilage has been turned over to FlisKits and to that end we want the input of the Micromaxx community to help us do it right.
You can read more about this announcement in the current Qblog at Quest Aerospace by clicking here.
FlisKits had already been moving towards the production of a small line of Micromaxx model kits. We were planning a release of 1-2 kits in the late 05/early 06 timeframe. After lengthy discussions with the folks at Quest Aerospace we excelerated that release date as well as our involvement in the Micromaxx line.
As you have now seen, we will have a planned 5 kit release in the September/October timeframe. In addition to these kits we will be announcing a large (and growing) line of parts for the Micromaxx enthusiast. This line will include body tubes, nose cones (balsa), adapters, nose blocks, fin stock, recovery materials, engine mount kits, etc, etc, etc.
We will also have designer kits right off the bat. Our line will start out small, but will still be one of the largest in the industry. Our line will GROW with the goal of becoming THE largest in the industry.
But it is all up to you. Our initial line will grow based on acceptance by the Micromaxx community. As with all of our product lines; as with our company, this is YOUR Micromaxx line of products. If you want it to succeed, you need to make it succeed. If you want certain kits and parts, you need to let us know. It is your line, turn it into what YOU want it to be.
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I just wanted to comment on a discussion that was happening in the Micromaxx yahoo group that may mirror some feelings here (and elsewhere) about these recent announcements.
There was concern expressed that these announcements were simply a pretty way of announcing the dimise of Micromaxx products.
Nothing could be further from the truth. FlisKits would not expend the time and energy in creating a product line that couldn't have a future.
Quest has a large supply of motors and there is no reason more couldn't be made if the demand is there.
FlisKits has the reputation of producing high quality kits with a customer support model that is the envy of the industry.
How successful the Micromaxx line is and how long it stays around is entirely up to you, the modeler. Not Quest nor FlisKits.
If you adopt the opinion that this is the end of the line and, as a result, loose interest you may cause the very thing that you are concerned about. However, if you view this as a good thing (as I do), then you will be contributing to its success and growth.
There was concern expressed that these announcements were simply a pretty way of announcing the dimise of Micromaxx products.
Nothing could be further from the truth. FlisKits would not expend the time and energy in creating a product line that couldn't have a future.
Quest has a large supply of motors and there is no reason more couldn't be made if the demand is there.
FlisKits has the reputation of producing high quality kits with a customer support model that is the envy of the industry.
How successful the Micromaxx line is and how long it stays around is entirely up to you, the modeler. Not Quest nor FlisKits.
If you adopt the opinion that this is the end of the line and, as a result, loose interest you may cause the very thing that you are concerned about. However, if you view this as a good thing (as I do), then you will be contributing to its success and growth.
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Just a quick note to let everyone know that we have announced our plans to open up a Micromaxx line on our web site main page.
It links to an introduction page that can be found by clicking this link
This introduction page is published with the full approval of Quest Aerospace.
Going to be a busy couple of months
jim
It links to an introduction page that can be found by clicking this link
This introduction page is published with the full approval of Quest Aerospace.
Going to be a busy couple of months
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MicroMaxx update!
It has been a long, busy and complex summer and entry into fall. We fell way behind our schedules due to many things happening in September and October and are working our hardest to get back on schedule.
To that end, I wanted to assure everyone that we are getting closer to our MicroMaxx debut, just a bit behind schedule is all
Material quotes have been submitted and received, samples have been received and approved, proto types have been assembled and tested, documentation has been begun and some of it is even in the proof-reading phase!
We are in the process of identifying our specific needs with regards to our initial offering and will be placing material orders in the coming weeks. As soon as that happens, I will make followup announcements of what our initial offering will look like with dates when you can expect an announcement!
We are truely *that* close
The only thing that I know for sure right now is that the BT-4 body tube will be held off until early-mid winter as the kits we are currently looking do not use that tube.
We *will* have the BT-2, BT-2.5 (T2+), BT-3 and BT-5
We will also have the Petite Praetor, Intergalactic Man of Space and either the Diminutive Deuce or the Ulysses as our initial kits.
In the near future look for the Teeny Triskelion, Honest John and other scale models, boost gliders, odd-rocs and more.
Keep watch over this thread and our web site for more announcements soon!
jim
It has been a long, busy and complex summer and entry into fall. We fell way behind our schedules due to many things happening in September and October and are working our hardest to get back on schedule.
To that end, I wanted to assure everyone that we are getting closer to our MicroMaxx debut, just a bit behind schedule is all
Material quotes have been submitted and received, samples have been received and approved, proto types have been assembled and tested, documentation has been begun and some of it is even in the proof-reading phase!
We are in the process of identifying our specific needs with regards to our initial offering and will be placing material orders in the coming weeks. As soon as that happens, I will make followup announcements of what our initial offering will look like with dates when you can expect an announcement!
We are truely *that* close
The only thing that I know for sure right now is that the BT-4 body tube will be held off until early-mid winter as the kits we are currently looking do not use that tube.
We *will* have the BT-2, BT-2.5 (T2+), BT-3 and BT-5
We will also have the Petite Praetor, Intergalactic Man of Space and either the Diminutive Deuce or the Ulysses as our initial kits.
In the near future look for the Teeny Triskelion, Honest John and other scale models, boost gliders, odd-rocs and more.
Keep watch over this thread and our web site for more announcements soon!
jim
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I'm getting excited, hard to wait - MMX will be perfect to fly at lunch time at work, when I get the urge to put something in the sky.
A micro Honest John will be way cool...
A micro Honest John will be way cool...
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MMX- finally something to keep me alive when I don't have time to go out to the field! I'm getting more and more excited about these things, a mini-deuce sounds cool.
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Any further word about FlisKit MicroMaxx stuff??? Hmmmmmm????
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How the heck do you get them Micro Maxx motors to light? The few times I tired them I just end up getting mad and giving up and just flew a few other Estes rockets I had.
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A regular Estes launch controller doesn't have enough umph to light the MMX ignitors.....believe it or not....I had the same problem, then I hooked them up to my Pratt Surefire2 12 volt controller and viola!
I assume the Quest controller will light them?!?
Another tip is to take the plastic off the ignitor and insert them into the motor nozzle using 1/2 of a toothpick to hold it in place. The plastic comes apart in two pieces. Put the tip of the toothpick between the ignitor leads and poke it in the nozzle. This will hold the tip of the ignitor against the propellant and it keeps it from falling out.
Hope that helps....
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Ditto. We are going to have a series of drawings (we hope right *in* the instructions) that shows you how to use our kits on the standard Quest MMX launch pad as well as this method of disassembling the ignitor and using a toothpick. I have had 100% success with that method and it is very easy.
It is also helpful as you then are not restricted to using the Quest launch pad. Also, some of our kits, like the Intergalactic Man of Space , you *can't* use the Quest launch pad and ignitor method and you *have* to use the toothpick method...
As for "where we are" with regard to MMX...:
- we are placing the tube order later this coming week
- our nose cone order is being placed
- some cones/rings have already been ordered and received
- I am actively working on the documentation for the following kits:
> Petite Praetor
> Intergalactic Man of Space
> Ulysses
> Designers Special
- I have a note in to Quest about distributing the MMX motors
- The web pages for this product line have been started
- The catalog pages for this product line have NOT been started yet, but close.
So, we've been busy, but there is a lot of work to be done.
As soon as all of the orders have been placed and we have ship dates on the items, we will be able to set a release date and announce that formally on our site.
It is still our goal to have an announcement out before Thanksgiving and hope to have kits and parts up for sale in time for Christmas (here's hoping!
)jim
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This has been covered extensively in the YahooGroup for micromax (one 'x' since they will not allow multiple x's for fear of porn...).
MicorMaxx I-1 motors have a "nozz-hole" and are very difficult to ignite if you don;t have a long enough bit of nichrome wire. It must reach all the way inside to touch the propellant and it must not short out. I either use the regular QMX igniters and make sure I pull the wires "up" to get maximum length or I use a piece of Nichrome wire. You can bend the nichrome in half until it almost touches itself, then dip the sharp bend in clear nail polish to insulate the wires and prevent a short and insert in the nozz-hole while wet. Stand upside down until the nail polish dries. The wire will heat up and can pull out if you have the wieght of the micro clips pulling on it, so put a small bit of masking tape over the nozz-hole to retain the wire. A toothpick can clog the nozz-hole and make the motor blow up at ignition.
MicroMaxx II-1 motors are easier as they have real nozzles. Again, make sure the QMX igniter reaches and touches the propellant. OR use the new Q2 igniters. They fit into the MMX II-1 motor nozzles and are EXTREMELY reliable. Nicrome wire works as well and with the MMX II-1 motors you can use a toothpick without having to worry about clogging them and having them blow up.
MicorMaxx I-1 motors have a "nozz-hole" and are very difficult to ignite if you don;t have a long enough bit of nichrome wire. It must reach all the way inside to touch the propellant and it must not short out. I either use the regular QMX igniters and make sure I pull the wires "up" to get maximum length or I use a piece of Nichrome wire. You can bend the nichrome in half until it almost touches itself, then dip the sharp bend in clear nail polish to insulate the wires and prevent a short and insert in the nozz-hole while wet. Stand upside down until the nail polish dries. The wire will heat up and can pull out if you have the wieght of the micro clips pulling on it, so put a small bit of masking tape over the nozz-hole to retain the wire. A toothpick can clog the nozz-hole and make the motor blow up at ignition.
MicroMaxx II-1 motors are easier as they have real nozzles. Again, make sure the QMX igniter reaches and touches the propellant. OR use the new Q2 igniters. They fit into the MMX II-1 motor nozzles and are EXTREMELY reliable. Nicrome wire works as well and with the MMX II-1 motors you can use a toothpick without having to worry about clogging them and having them blow up.
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Originally posted by jflis
Ditto. We are going to have a series of drawings (we hope right *in* the instructions) that shows you how to use our kits on the standard Quest MMX launch pad as well as this method of disassembling the ignitor and using a toothpick. I have had 100% success with that method and it is very easy.
It is also helpful as you then are not restricted to using the Quest launch pad. Also, some of our kits, like the Intergalactic Man of Space , you *can't* use the Quest launch pad and ignitor method and you *have* to use the toothpick method...
As for "where we are" with regard to MMX...:
- we are placing the tube order later this coming week
- our nose cone order is being placed
- some cones/rings have already been ordered and received
- I am actively working on the documentation for the following kits:
> Petite Praetor
> Intergalactic Man of Space
> Ulysses
> Designers Special
- I have a note in to Quest about distributing the MMX motors
- The web pages for this product line have been started
- The catalog pages for this product line have NOT been started yet, but close.
So, we've been busy, but there is a lot of work to be done.
As soon as all of the orders have been placed and we have ship dates on the items, we will be able to set a release date and announce that formally on our site.
It is still our goal to have an announcement out before Thanksgiving and hope to have kits and parts up for sale in time for Christmas (here's hoping!
jim
Standing by for an update.
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