Looking for Der Red Max font for decals

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  1. Nov 29, 2019 #1

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    Hi folks,

    I recently lost my "Der Green Max" that had decals made by Gordy from Excelsior many years ago.

    I know Excelsior's printers died and since these are pretty simple decals I would like to just print my own in simple black laser on colorless decal paper ; the sheet can be found on the web; I just need to recreate a Green word.

    Is the font used available somewhere? Or, if the actual Red Max decals didn't use a font per se, has anyone recreated a reasonable facsimile?
     
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  3. Nov 30, 2019 #3

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    Thanks but I prefer waterslides, and I'd prefer to be able to print these myself. I just need to be able to craft a GREEN instead of RED on the graphic file. I imagine someone made a font at some point, but I can clip from a TIFF or JPG or whatever.
     
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    Oh and while I'm at it, I need to get a PNC-60AH. I'm aware I can get a BNC-60AH for about $11 plus shipping from eRockets.

    Is there a practical source of the plastic cone, short of buying a kit?

    Interestingly, my need for this cone isn't the same rocket as the need for my Green Max decals (that one is already built). I lost the nose cone for my venerable Blue Ninja last launch (nose cone separated from body tube and drifted away under chute), and I wish to replace it.
     
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    None there. I've always wished for this cone Estes would sell a bag of 5 or 10 of them. I'd happily buy them in bulk; it's one of my favorite cone shapes.
     
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    Periodically Estes switches the nosecone assortment.
     
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    When you say "the sheet can be found on the web", do you mean the decal paper, or the decal artwork

    I used the artwork from JimZ http://www.spacemodeling.org/jimz/est0651.htm and scaled it up for my Mega Der Red Max clone. I used both clear paper and white. The skull and crossbones were a bit of a pain as I had to trim close and hand place the individual pieces. I think it turned out OK. You could load the artwork into Paint, etc and change the black to green for your model
     

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    Dave, I think he means that he wants to change the "Red" in "Der Red Max" to "Green". So he needs the same font as in the decal.
     
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    Don't mean to hijack, but who do you get decal paper from? Inkjet and spray clear on sheet or Laser? Any tips? I have all the parts and decal scans for a MDRM clone (54mm mmt that I will fly on 38mm). Just want to make my own waterslides too to save money. So far I am gonna go with tango papa for blank sheets.
    I can also see about spending a few mins in Photoshop to see what I can do today or Sunday. What height*width do you need word /letters [Green] to be?
     
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    Right, I want it to be Der Green Max. So I need to make the word GREEN in a compatible font/artwork.

    I should have scanned the decal sheet I bought from Excelsior but at the time is figured I could always buy a new sheet. Didn't count on his printers dying with no replacement for printing white, chasing him to effectively shut down.
     
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    I forget who I bought it from. I don't build much these days. Probably MicroMark. I will see if I can look it up later today. I bought colorless (clear) and white laser decal paper; my Brother 9130cw prints fine. Colors are not great (under saturated) but black does pretty well.
     
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    I bought some from Amazon, nothing fancy and it's surely not the best available, but it worked well enough for my clones. I dont build many clones and I'm not a perfectionist so the quality was good enough. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07J1VPF54/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_1YT4DbFVYZ43Y
     
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    I checked and my laser decal paper was from MicroMark.
     
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    Hi @mjstech I was reading on my phone before and just now at my desktop noticed you might play with photoshop. I believe the original scale of the words was that the font height is 3/4", more or less, with the entire width of RED MAX being just a hair over 2.5", allowing it to fit on the fin. So to keep the width the same, GREEN MAX would need to be slightly downscaled to fit the two extra letters. Exact size isn't critical.

    I too was thinking to play with it; just not sure what font to start with that would look similar. Finding a similar font with the spray template lines is the trick I guess; adding the bullet holes and the iron crosses wouldn't be hard. But a lot of the stencil fonts I've found over-stencil it... for example the M and X don't need stencil lines (if it were a real stencil for paint), but the fonts put lines on them.

    I also reached out to Gordy who did the original decals; he might be able to provide the image.
     
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    I doubt there is an actual online font for this.
    It's probably like the Goblin lettering, probably hand drawn by the designer Wayne Kellner.
     
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    I agree this is likely. However, there is probably a similar font (minus bullet holes and crosses). I just haven't researched enough to find a good match yet. Been doing a lot of work stuff over the weekend.
     
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    Yeah, its not a typeface.

    The stencil breaks don't make any sense, and there doesn't seem to be much of a pattern to the widths on the strokes or the radii of the shoulders.

    The bar heights and widths are different for the A and the E.

    greenmax.png

    I built the N out of the X and the M, and the G out of the A, D, and E. I flipped the one copy of the E, just to convince myself the the bar heights didn't match across the logo. Matching the width of the arm on the G to the width of the bar on the E looks better to my eye -- since we don't know what the counter of the letter R would have looked like without the Prussian cross.

    greenmax2_fixed.png
     
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    Thank you for this effort! It looks great!
     
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    I was gonna do the same
     
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    Rocket is now painted; eventually when decals are done I will post a picture!
     
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    Just before I delete the file -- squared it up a little (the scan I grabbed from ninefingers wasn't quite straight).

    I have to say, I am charmed by the idea of the Green Max. But I'd be inclined to really run with it.
    green_PARTY_max.png
    You'd have to tell people that "MAX" was for Max Nicholson, not Max Immelmann -- which (the explaining part) would make it less fun to fly, I think.

    Still, if the build pile wasn't quite so tall right now...
     

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    Thanks!
     
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    So, I wanted to upload my PowerPoint file that I used to piece together decals using the kindly provided Green Max files provided, plus other things I clipped from a PDF on the JimZ site, but PPTX isn't supported. Let me check with Angie on this. Here's a successful picture on top of all sorts of intermediary printouts on plain paper. This was done on MicroMark Clear-On-Blue laser decals. DGM Decal Printed.jpg

    Some original decals I have from Excelsior are visible off to the left, which included white printed areas. I miss the ALPS printers...
     
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    Are you going to do double decals (clear on white) for the white sections?
     
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    No, that's a lot of effort. And I've tried before with not so good results.
     
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    Decals are on. I used up the top wrap and a couple other decals that Excelsior had printed years ago, but most of the deals are the new ones.
    DGM with deacals1.jpg
     
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    I'm going to coat it with Krylon 1305 UV resistant Clear. I think I'm out of it so a swing by Michael's or HL may be indicated.
     
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    Hi folks, Angie adjusted the allowed file types so I was able to upload the document I used to print black on clear Der Green Max decals
     

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