# Looking For Citation Series Red Max (MK-2) Instructions.

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#### K'Tesh

##### OpenRocket Chuck Norris
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JimZ has the DRM (651), and Estes has the DBRM (1977), MDRM (9705), the most recent reissue's plans (651), and the Mini Max (2445) instructions. However, I can't turn up the original Citation Series Red Max (MK-2) plans from 1971 (or about).

I use the name "Red Max" as that is what the 1971 Estes Citation Catalog had it listed as See the ninfinger's site for more.

Oh, I've also read that someone's variant of the DRM came with a different body tube length than what was posted in the Estes Kit guide (the BT-60HE at 8.5" long). I'd like to verify that. So if you have any (or all) of the BT-60 versions, could you measure your body tubes?

Can anyone help here?

Thanks!
Jim

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#### stevethecontractor

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JimZ has the DRM (651), and Estes has the DBRM (1977), MDRM (9705), the most recent reissue's plans (651), and the Mini Max (2445) instructions. However, I can't turn up the original Citation Series Red Max (MK-2) plans from 1971 (or about).

I use the name "Red Max" as that is what the 1971 Estes Citation Catalog had it listed as See the ninfinger's site for more.

Oh, I've also read that someone's variant of the DRM came with a different body tube length than what was posted in the Estes Kit guide (the BT-60HE at 8.5" long). I'd like to verify that. So if you have any (or all) of the BT-60 versions, could you measure your body tubes?

Can anyone help here?

Thanks!
Jim
$5 shipped It is the 1971 Estes Citation KC2 Der RED MAX original instructions has 3 hole punches along edge as well as spiral binder notches. There is a fold in the middle but it came in the kit that way. Also have a huge amount of original instructions and build sheets from 1961 thru 1989. This collection weighs about 30lbs. There are 5 rockets in the Citation series I see. Last edited: #### K'Tesh ##### OpenRocket Chuck Norris TRF Supporter$5 shipped It is the 1971 Estes Citation KC2 Der RED MAX
original instructions has 3 hole punches along edge as well as spiral binder notches. There is a fold in the middle but it came in the kit that way. Also have a huge amount of original instructions and build sheets from 1961 thru 1989. This collection weighs about 30lbs.
There are 5 rockets in the Citation series I see.
I'm interested...

#### dhbarr

##### Amateur Professional
I'm interested...
If y'all arrange the shipping details ( Jim is in China ) I'll arrange the appropriate payment. Serious offer.

#### K'Tesh

##### OpenRocket Chuck Norris
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If y'all arrange the shipping details ( Jim is in China ) I'll arrange the appropriate payment. Serious offer.
Thanks!!!

#### rharshberger

##### Well-Known Member
Thanks!!!
Just don't let the China mail loose that treasure trove....

#### stevethecontractor

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additional postage to chine would be \$1.80 I sent him a link to a set of pictures as I have almost all the original Estes build sheets from 1961 to 1989.

#### Woody's Workshop

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It might be better to send them to someone with a good scanner that can save them in pdf and email them to Jim.
When he gets back he than can safely acquire the instructions personally or by mail.

#### dhbarr

##### Amateur Professional
Hrmm. What I want out of all this ( and am willing to fund ) is a) to preserve and disseminate as much of this collection as possible and b) to give Jim something fun to work on.

Steve The Contractor: can I -rent- that whole stack of paper from you for a bit?

#### K'Tesh

##### OpenRocket Chuck Norris
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It might be better to send them to someone with a good scanner that can save them in pdf and email them to Jim.
When he gets back he than can safely acquire the instructions personally or by mail.
I like the idea, that they be scanned before coming to me (I can do the work I need with that). I also like the idea that I can hold on to a Real Estes Citation kit's set of instructions (Read... Send them (carefully to avoid possible loss), but not before scanning them (JIC)).

#### K'Tesh

##### OpenRocket Chuck Norris
TRF Supporter
Hrmm. What I want out of all this ( and am willing to fund ) is a) to preserve and disseminate as much of this collection as possible and b) to give Jim something fun to work on.

Steve The Contractor: can I -rent- that whole stack of paper from you for a bit?
Thanks dhbarr!

I also love the 2nd idea... I'd have done it myself (bought the instructions back when they came up for sale on Ebay), had I had the cash at the time. I didn't, and didn't try to get them.

#### stevethecontractor

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Send me a PM and I will discuss further in detail.

Thanks
Steve

#### dhbarr

##### Amateur Professional
Send me a PM and I will discuss further in detail.

Thanks
Steve
PM sent

#### Woody's Workshop

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If it isn't too much trouble, I too would like a .pdf copy.
You can send them to adams.johne@outlook.com
Thank You Kindly,
Have a Very Merry Christmas!