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World's first fully electric autonomous cargo vessel was unveiled in Norway. I still don't get why autonomy is so often combined with an electrical drivetrain but I sure like the rest of this story.

“On board the Yara Birkeland, the traditional machine room has been replaced by eight battery compartments ... the equivalent of 100 Teslas," ...
https://techxplore.com/news/2021-11-electric-autonomous-cargo-ship-norway.html
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I think you mean this project:
https://www.diamondaircraft.com/en/service/electric-aircraft/
I haven't found any picture of a real prototype, but those drawings on the website are really good. I understand 2024 is the soonest we'll see them. The DA40 series is already well-known in flight schools so I think an electric version would be quickly accepted.
Are they all still considered concept aircraft, as I was thinking some were available or close to being available?
https://www.diamondaircraft.com/en/private-pilots/electric-aircraft/
 
The validity and practicality of electric vehicles is not going to be answered any time soon. As of now there are simply too few of them on the road and they haven't been used over a long enough period of time nor collected enough combined miles to really make an informed judgment.

When electrics account for 20%-50% of the cars, trucks and SUVs on our streets, highways and Interstate network, operating in all types of terrain and weather conditions in all 50 states and they have collectively racked-up a few million miles; then we will have the answers to those questions.

And that's going to take decades.

Let's hope there isn't something we are all overlooking with regards to electrics that comes back and bites us in the butt after we have ditched the internal combustion engine and can't go back to it. Think the F-22.

I prefer to just look at the facts.

There are over 1 million tesla's on the road, and they have racked up over 22 BILLION miles driven (https://lexfridman.com/tesla-autopilot-miles-and-vehicles/) - every state, 180 countries, every climate zone on the planet.

The average ICE car lasts about 200,000 miles. The average Tesla lasts 600,000 miles, and that's just an approximation because the taxi services that use them for high mileage are only in the 400,000 range, and there have been so few Tesla's junked because of drivetrain of chassis wear that it's not statistically calculable yet, despite the 20 billion + miles driven. (https://www.aarp.org/auto/trends-lifestyle/info-2018/how-long-do-cars-last.html)

Why such a big difference?

the average ICE vehicle has over 200 moving parts in it's drivetrain, all creating friction, wear, and ultimately failure.
  • Oil pump or filters
  • Fuel pump, filters or fuel injection systems
  • Air intake system
  • Exhaust system
  • Belts of any kind
  • Air filters (outside of a/c)
  • Muffler
  • Gudgeon pins
  • Chains
  • Alternator
  • Clutch
  • Multi-speed transmission
  • Conrods
  • Balance shafts
  • Spark plugs
  • Valve springs
  • Pressure regulators
  • Ignition leads
  • Main bearings
  • Piston rings
  • Coils
  • …and so the list goes on.
None of which are in an electric vehicle.

Tesla claims there are only 18 moving parts in their drivetrain. (https://www.gm-volt.com/threads/18-moving-parts-in-a-tesla.279729/)

I focus only on the drivetrain (Tesla's video in the above page claims 2000+ moving parts in an ICE vehicle, and they've drastically reduced all of them) because it's usually drivetrain, or chassis failures that junk a car.

with the number of cars on the road, and the number of miles driven, there is more than enough data to calculate a high confidence, stastically significant 'validity' of electric cars, and they are vastly superior from a maintenance and longevity perspective.

Maybe the most important difference: My Tesla drivetrain warranty, which includes the battery is for 8 years and 150,000 miles (https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty).
My Wife's Escalade has a 4 year, 50,000 powertrain warranty (https://www.cadillac.com/ownership/warranty-repairs). Admittedly, Cadillac's service is SIGNIFICANTLY better than Tesla's. Then again, my wife's car goes in about 10x more than my Tesla, so it better!
 
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/gradual-takeover-electric-vehicles-expected-050100489.html

"Babej cringed at predicting for the long term but said he wouldn't be surprised if half of the new cars sold by the end of the decade are powered by electricity. He called electric cars "disruptive technology" that will infiltrate the country in a similar manner to air conditioning and cellphones."

Half of the NEW CARS sold . . .
But 2/3rds of all car sales in the U.S. are on the used car market; and how long will it take for there to be enough used EV's to fill that need?
And how long will it take for there to be the infrastructure so that people living in apartments and other multi-family structures have the ability to charge EV's at home?

He is right about one thing EV's are a disruptive technology especially if the government gets involved, forcing the auto manufactures to build only EV's when much of the country, geographically speaking, can't make good use of them at this point in time.
 
On the long life of vehicles.
Not dissing the EV parts.
I have a friend who drove an Isuzu diesel pickup, they would go forever. When she sold it the mileage was 400k+. The issue with it was everything but the drivetrain was giving up. The seats had to be replaced about 250k, it had cracks starting everywhere. Interesting there were few body cracks until about 300k and then they appeared. Like the sheet metal had reached a fatigue life and given up.
Everything falls apart eventually (except 1964 Dodge Darts) so it will need to be seen where Teslas say "I’m done."
 
Regardless of what share of the market EVs take, there will always be people "like me", who'd rather have an EV than a guitar, yacht, camping tent, Picasso, game console, or an extra model rocket. I have my own ideas and reasons as to how big a market share they can take, but I would rather not debate it here because I come here to relax and to be the goofball I can't be in real life 🥳🤪.

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(That's not me but innovative people like this dude, whoever he is, have my full moral support 🤩)
 
Norway was at nearly 90% BEV and plug-in electric market share in October.
Total miles of roadways in Norway: 94,902.
Total miles of roadways in the U.S.: 6,586,610

The above might be one reason why Norway has such a high percentage of plug in EV's. vs the U.S.
 
Arc is another electric boat company I just found.
https://arcboats.com/reserve/

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Like many other cool things I’m finding, they can only be pre-ordered for delivery in 2022 or later. I assume it’s because of chip and battery shortages. Same as with the Cybertruck. Over a million have been pre-ordered, but practically none have been built (less than 100 think), so just building 1M of them will take 1-2 years.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/watch-rolls-royce-electric-airplane-193000371.html

Of course there's no mention of the range.

Top speed of an aircraft is an amazing thing; between the first deployed P38 Lightning's and the last ones off the assembly line, the the horsepower of the P38's engines was doubled.
This resulted in an increase of the aircrafts straight line maximum speed of a whopping 16mph, or there about, it has been a long time since I read about this.
Now its rate of climb went up dramatically as did its maximum payload and short-runway takeoff capability.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/watch-rolls-royce-electric-airplane-193000371.html

Of course there's no mention of the range.

Top speed of an aircraft is an amazing thing; between the first deployed P38 Lightning's and the last ones off the assembly line, the the horsepower of the P38's engines was doubled.
This resulted in an increase of the aircrafts straight line maximum speed of a whopping 16mph, or there about, it has been a long time since I read about this.
Now its rate of climb went up dramatically as did its maximum payload and short-runway takeoff capability.
That's like boats. For the short, fat fishing boats we design (length limited by regulation), you can double the horsepower and get another quarter of a knot of top speed.
 
I'm old enough to remember when the concept of "Electric planes" wasn't so much science fiction as it was pure unadulterated fantasy.

That there would never be an electric motor light enough and with enough power to make it possible.
Then there was the battery situation which was even worse off than the motor conundrum.
There's been some pretty amazing progress in the last 20 years or so.
 
I was flying electric RC airplanes in the early 1980s when anything better than a couple of minutes of powered sink was considered a success. Motors got better (and were purpose made for models rather than being repurposed industrial motors), and nickel-based chemistry batteries got better (driven by the cordless power tool market). At that point aerobatic flights of a few minutes became quite possible. Then brushless motors came on the scene — at first they were very expensive and had a bunch of wires (three for the phases, and if I remember right six for the Hall effect sensors) and there was a step function in performance. But then less expensive and sensorless brushless motors and controllers came along, first from Europe and then later from China. And lithium chemistry batteries, first low current ones from phones and such, which made half-hour flights of low powered indoor/park flyers possible. THEN along came lithium-polymer cells from Kokam in Korea and a couple of other far-Eastern vendors and the world of electric model flight changed. With an AXi motor, a Castle Creations controller and Kokam or ThunderPower batteries I could fly a small model that could go straight up indefinitely, do more aerobatic maneuvers than I could fly, AND fly for 20-30 minutes on a charge. This took twenty-five years or so.

And now electric power is the dominant form of power in flying models ranging from models weighing a few grams (or less!) to very large models, and subjects including jets, as well as high performance helicopters.

It will be interesting to see how the next twenty-five years of full scale vehicles being powered by electricity will go. I'm five years into my own journey there (our EV is a 2016 Kia Soul) and just in that time many good things have happened. We shall see....

(I got back into rockets about the time the pendulum was swinging from glow/gas power to electric as the mainstream power source for flying models as lithium batteries, in particular, made the sorts of planes I like to fly almost too easy to do. Rockets, even simple LPRs, can sure be humbling sometimes :D )
 
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