Thanks for wading into the asylum.Very cool! A few questions:
* Since we're leaning hard into the cluster madness here, any chance of making the core 4x24mm motors so it's "scale"? 4x blue motors in the middle and white thunder/lightning in the outboards would be pretty cool.
* Will the side boosters drop off in flight?
POOR BOY DUAL DEPLOY!The thrust curves for using D12's and C6's in combination looks promising, too.
Using D12-3's, the D motors will rear eject with their streamers and about 2 seconds later the C6-5 will deploy the recovery chute.
Should be a fun flight.
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I can't see it good, but is the CP 5 inches in front of the CG?
What are the probabilities of the recovery streamers/chute getting caught in the ring fins?
Nose weight?
Are the booster motors glued to the streamer spool?
SOMEbody has a case of the Mondays! I think the Top Men are getting to you.Rear ejection successful, rocket coming down...is the escape tower strong enough not to break on landing? The bane of the scale flyer.
Will the GDS provide a good deal of stability? I don't think so. Will the canted fins spin the rocket fast enough for stability? I don't think so...
DADDY, DON'T BE SUCH A DEBBIE DOWNER! WAN, WAN WANT, WA!
Yes Mr. RSO, power and nose weight solve 90% of my rocket's problems. So GDS and spin stabilization don't have much to cover and will guarantee a safe flight! Please put me on the far far away pad with the big boys!SOMEbody has a case of the Mondays! I think the Top Men are getting to you.
Though I agree that the canted fins won't provide enough roll for stabilization once the main motors burn out. At least not with the boosters still on there. It may have enough inherent stability to fly though.
On the good side, if the tower doesn’t break, and there is no harness to hold the nose horizontal and it comes down nose first in soft ground, it will definitely “stick” the landing.Rear ejection successful, rocket coming down...is the escape tower strong enough not to break on landing? The bane of the scale flyer.
Bullet proof with a machined, steel cored escape tower. A rear eject lawn dart guaranteed to please!On the good side, if the tower doesn’t break, and there is no harness to hold the nose horizontal and it comes down nose first in soft ground, it will definitely “stick” the landing.
With a four motor cluster that main tube GDS ring is going to get mighty toasty. Que Johny Cash...a ring of fire. "I went down, down, down, and the flames went higher. And it burns, burns, burns, the ring of fire." Good thing the Top Men love Jonny Cash blaring out of the pickup cab on the old 8 track!
Your experience may differ, but i find rolled streamers unless descending from high altitude tend to incompletely unfurl, compared to folded steamers which are only wrapped when they can’t fold anymore. Your problem here is you do not want these to unfurl too early , or they may get wrapped on the ring fins.
Outside of high risk wildfire conditions (may be a rare condition in your area, I suspect commonly pretty dry there) i think simple motor eject with no streamers is perfectly legit. Been doing it with 18-24 mm for over a decade without a single issue.
Check with local field rules (if any) first, and stick to black powder motors which are completely biodegradable. I pick up the casings I can find, but I don’t sweat ones I can’t. Composites may be different, as they won’t degrade,at least not for months or possibly years.
Otoh, if you want maximin flexibility, nothing wrong with adding a streamer except complexity and space. They DO look cool coming down (nice feature of my HeliBomber), but also force you to track multiple descending objects,
At the risk of sounding like @Daddyisabar, no point in half measures. Go full stack from day 1! If it tumbles, take off the boosters and try again. With a 3-second delay and rear eject, you're probably fine.I could also launch the rocket without the SRB's 1st... just to see if it is stable after thrust in that configuration.
Load fer bear! Underpowered oddrocs are the worst. Need some speed off the rod or rail engage that sweet GDS magic. Trust in thrust to get lovely inertia going up and kicking in that yummy base drag. Yes Mr. RSO, IT IS JUST AN IGNITION ISSUE!At the risk of sounding like @Daddyisabar, no point in half measures. Go full stack from day 1! If it tumbles, take off the boosters and try again. With a 3-second delay and rear eject, you're probably fine.
Will do....At the risk of sounding like @Daddyisabar, no point in half measures. Go full stack from day 1! If it tumbles, take off the boosters and try again. With a 3-second delay and rear eject, you're probably fine.
Did you mean to write "about 2 seconds before"? 'Cause it looks like it would be about two seconds before.Using D12-3's, the D motors will rear eject with their streamers and about 2 seconds later the C6-5 will deploy the recovery chute.
Did you mean to write "about 2 seconds before"? 'Cause it looks like it would be about two seconds before.
D12-3: 1.7 s burn + 3 s delay = 4.7 s from ignition to deployment.
C6-5: 1.9 s burn + 5 a delay = 6.9 s from ignition to deployment.
Clears the launch rod at 41 mph.. per Open Rocket.4 C6 plus 2 D12 == 1 "F" -- that's a lot of ooomph. With much more initial thrust than most actual F motors can put out.
Fortunately, mitigated by the weight of all those motors. Possibly a slow dramatic liftoff from the pad.
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