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You should consider Locum Tenens. Super common as a retirement option. There is so much demand right now that you can pick and choose where you want to visit. Check out CHG healthcare(I work there) they have several staffing brands to choose from.
 
I was "traded" from the job that I worked at for nearly 40 years to the company that provided our ERP system support, went from commuting to WFH. Best thing I ever did... so much less stress, and I have "me" time now.
 
  • Talk to your financial advisor, re-assess your needs/wants in retirement. Balance them against the job description. A position that pays less but is a near-perfect fit may be preferable to one that pays twice as much but wears you down. Retirement is supposed to be fun!

I'm gonna go a full +1 on this. After retirement from the Navy, I spent 5 years bouncing around to different contractors and various locations, making solid 6 figure bank....at the cost of averaging 200 days a year on the road. That's more time away than I EVER did on active duty training/deployment cycles!

Gave it all up for a GS job at about 1/2 the pay, a solid 40/week, and 15 minutes from my house. The real benefit is that I now get to see my youngest 3 kids (15/12/12) grow up. Quality of life is greatly improved!

And with your .mil retirement, you'll never physically be able to outlive your money!!!!!
 
I will tell you that I am shocked. Does anyone on here have experience with virtual medical care?

I haven't had need of it but it's offered at work and from what I hear it's very popular. I can see that. Not having to sit in the lobby for an hour or two (after the appointment time) with crying babies (not so much irritating as it is stressful when you can't help), sniffling kids, coughing people, and other things that make me cringe :)
 
Hi Chuck,

Good luck with the job search. Be careful with non-compete clauses in contracts (i.e. if you quit-you can't join another practice within 25 miles) and potential paybacks for malpractice coverage etc. Also, make sure your new malpractice has tail coverage. Probably equally important as salary is: Can I get along with the current staff and are responsibilities equitably allocated. I have been affected by the above items and its no fun to possibly end up in court after getting a new job. Case in point, my local university hospital just lost 4 oncologists who are taking jobs at a competitive hospital less than 10 mles away. A court summary judgement of 3 to 5 hundred thousand dollars against each physician occurred due to a non-compete contract clause. I wish you the best and with the current plethora of jobs available, hopefully, you can find 5 or more that meet your requirements!

Fred
 
Wherever you go,,check the nursing staff,,and see how many are still there. You might be a one-man show out of your car. Nurses are migrating all over the place. The Local Hospice has about 16 beds,,and only 3 nurses. 2 of those are getting ready to flee for better money.
 
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Hi Chuck,

Good luck with the job search. Be careful with non-compete clauses in contracts (i.e. if you quit-you can't join another practice within 25 miles) and potential paybacks for malpractice coverage etc. Also, make sure your new malpractice has tail coverage. Probably equally important as salary is: Can I get along with the current staff and are responsibilities equitably allocated. I have been affected by the above items and its no fun to possibly end up in court after getting a new job. Case in point, my local university hospital just lost 4 oncologists who are taking jobs at a competitive hospital less than 10 mles away. A court summary judgement of 3 to 5 hundred thousand dollars against each physician occurred due to a non-compete contract clause. I wish you the best and with the current plethora of jobs available, hopefully, you can find 5 or more that meet your requirements!

Fred

Thanks, Fred. I am planning to do a little off-duty employment to test the waters. I might try a month or so doing Hims virtual medical visits.
 
I have been providing telehealth services for two years almost now. All psychiatry. Formally I was attached to my local clinic but they went virtual. I’ve recently done a job search and within about a month I’ll be working for a totally online telehealth provider. Spread over several states the licensing/credentialing is very unpleasant though. I actually found a pay increase going to telehealth not based on the local clinic. Keep looking you may be able to find better pay in telehealth than you think. Also I was working 10 to 12 hour days and based on my discussions it will be 8 or 9. Quality of your life is as important as money. Good luck.
 
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Thanks, Fred. I am planning to do a little off-duty employment to test the waters. I might try a month or so doing Hims virtual medical visits.
Hi Chuck,
Given the last 18 months of my wife's major medical needs and observing the hospital's staffing challenges first hand (specifically at a major facilities such as Abbott NW and Mayo Rochester MN), I'd like to say - don't quit and retire just yet!

I didn't see if anyone else listed this as a thought to consider, would the position considered be in or out of common network providers? General practice allows a consumer to be aware of the physicians network status and pick accordingly, but all to often no option exists in a surgical setting. The billing impact is significant to the patient.

Then, the other consideration in the retirement decision is - am I retiring from something or to something. That is a question I'll have to answer myself as I look at the next 12 to 36 months or so.

Good fortune and good hunting!
 
I think the transition to tele and virtual medical care was inevitable, with our older population numbers increasing faster than the rate that caregivers enter the workforce something had to change - using technology to compensate/innovate due to change has pretty much been the trend of the post-WWII world. Looks like a great post-career path for you CW.

And good for you for wanting to continue to serve - medical folks deserve some serious kudos for coping with this never ending pandemic chaos. Conversely, we have a huge Amazon facility being built on the former golf course adjacent to our new house (still a bit salty that the realtor or PO failed to mention it - no, it wasn’t a required disclosure but it was a bit discourteous not to tell us) and I have ZERO interest in using my logistics experience post-career 😆
 
I was "traded" from the job that I worked at for nearly 40 years to the company that provided our ERP system support, went from commuting to WFH. Best thing I ever did... so much less stress, and I have "me" time now.
Did they get a draft pick and a player to be named later? :D

Seriously, the people involved are at least as important as the pay. When I switched jobs 4 years ago, it was a huge reduction in stress because there was a lot less corporate BS. The small bump in pay and WFH before COVID made it cool was also helpful. WFH is an adjustment as well, so trying that out is worthwhile.
 
Also I was working 10 to 12 hour days and based on my discussions it will be 8 or 9. Quality of your life is as important as money. Good luck.

Reminds me of the old quote from a renowned heart surgeon who said " I've never had a patient laying in the hospital bed who said " I wish I would have spent more time at work, away from the family and not enjoying hobbies" Life is WAY TOO SHORT to spend it endlessly working all for the sake of money. Volunteering is a whole different subject.
 
Work's over rated..... head for the fence, as soon as possible.
Hear hear. If you can't (or don't want to) do a full retirement, working 80% is another great option. I went there a few years ago after we paid off our house. It's really nice having a 3-day weekend every week. If you take Friday as your day off, you also get 4-day weekends on the many weeks with Monday holidays. It sounds like your skills are enough in demand that prospective employers would want to consider this option.
 
Chuck,

Good luck with the job search and I hope you find exactly what you need. Considering virtual health care, I've done it a few times and the experience was good. We live in a rural area and any trip to a doctor is a half-day event. My insurance company even gives me "perks" if I do certain things each year, last year I got $160 on prepaid cards, so not a bad perk.

Some people don't enjoy retirement, but usually it's because they have no other interests to keep them occupied. We have rockets, and that takes up a lot of my time.

Regards,

Stew
 
Thanks, Fred. I am planning to do a little off-duty employment to test the waters. I might try a month or so doing Hims virtual medical visits.
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What about opening your own clinic/ practice?
 
What about opening your own clinic/ practice?

Almost no one can afford to go into private practice today. I guess I could open a boutique medical practice.

I am tempted to just do a virtual practice.
 
Not if you go cash only, no insurance or govt "plans". :)
I friend of mine tried that about 10 or 15 years ago. All cash (or CC), prices listed for services, fast in and out, etc. Nice suburb where it was supposed to be sniffles, cuts, bruises, etc. It was a business plan some consulting group or something was selling.

He gave up within a year. More than half of the people that came in wanted him to take their insurance. He said he spent more time trying to explain that if they wanted to use insurance, they'd have to file for reimbursement themselves. But none of them wanted to do that – 'that was his job as a doctor'. People would just not take no for an answer when they wanted to pay with insurance.

He said it was the worst experience of his life in health care dealing with people directly over payment.


Tony
 
I friend of mine tried that about 10 or 15 years ago. All cash (or CC), prices listed for services, fast in and out, etc. Nice suburb where it was supposed to be sniffles, cuts, bruises, etc. It was a business plan some consulting group or something was selling.

He gave up within a year. More than half of the people that came in wanted him to take their insurance. He said he spent more time trying to explain that if they wanted to use insurance, they'd have to file for reimbursement themselves. But none of them wanted to do that – 'that was his job as a doctor'. People would just not take no for an answer when they wanted to pay with insurance.

He said it was the worst experience of his life in health care dealing with people directly over payment.


Tony

Ugh, didn't realize that people were that moronic and entitled, though from what my pharmacist wife says, I should have. She gets much the same.
 
I have a cousin that does boutique medicine. He left a partnership track to go on his own. No insurance. Cash only. He works his tail off for a seven-figure salary. I already worked my tail off for the Army. I would prefer someone else to run the business and pay me to see the patients. It is not about money with me. It is a calling.
 
It is a calling.

I am a Radiologist so in a different milieu.
Telemedicine is ideal for most of diagnostic radiology.

you say money isn’t an issue. That really expands your options.

seems like family and rocket building are important to you.

as a calling, sounds like you want to provide great care to each patient , which is very laudable.

questions:

do you PERSONALLY have to see each patient to get that warm fuzzy feeling of satisfaction, or can you find excellent PAs or NPs who you can supervise (likely chart reviews you can do from your home office) and still feel like you are making the difference in people’s health you feel called to do? This maximizes the number of people blessed by your care, but definitely lacks the personal involvement. You also have to be able to find GOOD PAs and NPs you can trust. That’s tough. It is likely relatively lucrative as you are taking care of far more patients, sort of like the Dentist makes money when his techs clean and fluoride teeth without lifting a finger himself.

telemedicine is kind of in the middle. Much of primary care is voice and facial expression, so you DO see individual patients. You can’t do the hand holding or shoulder touching which can be a big part of communication, but Covid is messing with that anyway. You also are limited to visual inspection for physical exam (patients can get their own Blood Pressure cuffs and often can get pulse ox, pulse rate, and even a short rhythm strip off their phones! Many docs are kicking physical exams off to imaging anyway, not good for patients or costs but often more accurate and reduces liability. My wife sees a specialist at Vanderbiltvia Telerad and loves it. So depends on how it fits your personality.

if you DO decide you want to physically see patients, first God Bless You! Second, unless you REALLLLY like listening to audio books, podcasts, or music, remember every minute on the road is time you aren’t spending with your family, building rockets,, seeing patients, or making money. So finding a place near to home (or if moving is an option, moving to a place near your practice site) was (at least to me, I DO work at a hospital although ironically most of what I read is networked in from OTHER hospitals. But I have a 10 minute drive to work) a BIG factor for me. Unless you can find a job that pays for your travel.

locums? Depends on personality and home situation. Can your significant other and pets come with you? Can you transport your hobby materials? Are you okay with seeing patients on a one time basis, vs developing long term relationships? God bless the ER and urgent care “Docs in the Box”, they are definitely essential, as most primary care docs are booked out months and in advance and many acute diseases are unkind enough to NOT. make appointment schedules with patients and crop up suddenly at the most inconvenient times, like Friday afternoon before a 3 day weekend . When I grew up, if I got sick my Mom could usually get me in the next day with our FP. Not anymore.

anyway, best wishes for you, my main point is that travel time for daily drives or locums has a significant and often underappreciated cost.

whatever you do, find a coworker or some mentor who can help you avoid burnout,

oh yeah, not sure it fits your personality, but sounds like your administrative and leadership skills have been finely honed. As much as many physicians “poo poo” the paper jockeys, the need for good COOs and CEOs who truly UNDERSTAND basic medicine AND can work with the system to provide the resources for the frontline nurses, NPs, PAs, and Docs to do their jobs well and feel empowered and appreciated is great. Having worked for a couple of places where the hospital leadership was in desperate need of a cranio-anal extraction, you may find your best contribution to patient care to be at the executive level.

"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics."Gen. Robert H. Barrow, USMC (Commandant of the Marine Corps) noted in 1980
 
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Obviously, I am not employed in a heath care environment though my areas of responsibility often take me there. I once met a doctor (a specialist, I think) through a mutual missionary friend that worked in a multi-doctor practice. The doctors got along well enough, and had so many shared values, that he was able to periodically leave to spend six months working at a mission hospital in Kenya. The other doctors in his partnership had no desire to become missionaries, but they supported his desire to do so and were happy to cover for him every few years when he wanted to go.

I've always thought that it would be awesome, as well as fulfilling, to work in an environment with that level of collegiality and flexibility. I obviously have no specific recommendations, but offer this example as something you might find worthwhile as you consider your options.
 
Chuck,

Sounds like we are at similar places in our careers. But I'm in the ER. We are completely overwhelmed all over the country. Partially because of Covid but more because primary care has totally evaporated. Last week we had a time in my 30 bed ER when we had 87 patients inside our doors. That's 57 just waiting to be seen, in a 30 bed ER!

I'm not surprised you are finding tons of openings. I've heard since I started 30 years ago the mantra from insurers and government "we need to do everything we can to keep people out of the ER, it's the most 'inefficient' place to see patients." But the bottom line is this: we're the last guys standing. As I always taught my residents, "at some point somebody actually has to touch the icky sick people." So I wish you well, and certainly understand your desire to try telemedicine, but I'm your beleaguered colleague hoping you stay "in person." Good luck with whatever happens.

Steve
 
I am a Radiologist so in a different milieu.
Telemedicine is ideal for most of diagnostic radiology.

you say money isn’t an issue. That really expands your options.

seems like family and rocket building are important to you.

as a calling, sounds like you want to provide great care to each patient , which is very laudable.

questions:

do you PERSONALLY have to see each patient to get that warm fuzzy feeling of satisfaction, or can you find excellent PAs or NPs who you can supervise (likely chart reviews you can do from your home office) and still feel like you are making the difference in people’s health you feel called to do? This maximizes the number of people blessed by your care, but definitely lacks the personal involvement. You also have to be able to find GOOD PAs and NPs you can trust. That’s tough. It is likely relatively lucrative as you are taking care of far more patients, sort of like the Dentist makes money when his techs clean and fluoride teeth without lifting a finger himself.

telemedicine is kind of in the middle. Much of primary care is voice and facial expression, so you DO see individual patients. You can’t do the hand holding or shoulder touching which can be a big part of communication, but Covid is messing with that anyway. You also are limited to visual inspection for physical exam (patients can get their own Blood Pressure cuffs and often can get pulse ox, pulse rate, and even a short rhythm strip off their phones! Many docs are kicking physical exams off to imaging anyway, not good for patients or costs but often more accurate and reduces liability. My wife sees a specialist at Vanderbiltvia Telerad and loves it. So depends on how it fits your personality.

if you DO decide you want to physically see patients, first God Bless You! Second, unless you REALLLLY like listening to audio books, podcasts, or music, remember every minute on the road is time you aren’t spending with your family, building rockets,, seeing patients, or making money. So finding a place near to home (or if moving is an option, moving to a place near your practice site) was (at least to me, I DO work at a hospital although ironically most of what I read is networked in from OTHER hospitals. But I have a 10 minute drive to work) a BIG factor for me. Unless you can find a job that pays for your travel.

locums? Depends on personality and home situation. Can your significant other and pets come with you? Can you transport your hobby materials? Are you okay with seeing patients on a one time basis, vs developing long term relationships? God bless the ER and urgent care “Docs in the Box”, they are definitely essential, as most primary care docs are booked out months and in advance and many acute diseases are unkind enough to NOT. make appointment schedules with patients and crop up suddenly at the most inconvenient times, like Friday afternoon before a 3 day weekend . When I grew up, if I got sick my Mom could usually get me in the next day with our FP. Not anymore.

anyway, best wishes for you, my main point is that travel time for daily drives or locums has a significant and often underappreciated cost.

whatever you do, find a coworker or some mentor who can help you avoid burnout,

oh yeah, not sure it fits your personality, but sounds like your administrative and leadership skills have been finely honed. As much as many physicians “poo poo” the paper jockeys, the need for good COOs and CEOs who truly UNDERSTAND basic medicine AND can work with the system to provide the resources for the frontline nurses, NPs, PAs, and Docs to do their jobs well and feel empowered and appreciated is great. Having worked for a couple of places where the hospital leadership was in desperate need of a cranio-anal extraction, you may find your best contribution to patient care to be at the executive level.

"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics."Gen. Robert H. Barrow, USMC (Commandant of the Marine Corps) noted in 1980

I know this thread is specifically about medical jobs, but I think your post might be one the best assessments I've seen of the work/life balance and many of your comments apply to many different jobs.

Thank you for the insightful post.

Sandy.
 
Chuck,

Sounds like we are at similar places in our careers. But I'm in the ER. We are completely overwhelmed all over the country. Partially because of Covid but more because primary care has totally evaporated. Last week we had a time in my 30 bed ER when we had 87 patients inside our doors. That's 57 just waiting to be seen, in a 30 bed ER!

I'm not surprised you are finding tons of openings. I've heard since I started 30 years ago the mantra from insurers and government "we need to do everything we can to keep people out of the ER, it's the most 'inefficient' place to see patients." But the bottom line is this: we're the last guys standing. As I always taught my residents, "at some point somebody actually has to touch the icky sick people." So I wish you well, and certainly understand your desire to try telemedicine, but I'm your beleaguered colleague hoping you stay "in person." Good luck with whatever happens.

Steve

Our ER is similar. FP and IM physicians are retiring at record rates. Soon, you will only be able to find a nurse practitioner or PA.
 
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