Introducing the Featherweight Blue Jay altimeter

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The Featherweight Blue Jay is a new entry-level altimeter that has most of the Blue Raven's capability at under half the price ($80). iso_no_background.png
It's also smaller and easier to install because it uses 2 screw terminals per e-match, and it has a magnetic switch built in. Just connect a battery and your e-matches and you're ready to fly. This makes it perfect for new users and for squeezing in a backup altimeter into a small space


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Like the Blue Raven, the Blue Jay connects over Bluetooth to the the Featherweight UI phone app, available for iOS and Android. The app shows you live sensor health and continuity voltages so you know for sure your rocket is ready for launch when you're at the pad, without having to memorize beep sequences. After landing, it immediately downloads a flight summary and then follows up with the rest of the recorded data that you can review with in-app graphs or export via email or any other file sharing. The app also has a ground test feature that records video and on-board data when testing charges, and a sophisticated and realistic flight simulation that lets you test everything out before flight and verify that your deployment settings will work the way you want them to.
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The Blue Jay goes beyond other entry-level alternatives by including gyro for tilt calculation and inertial navigation, which it records at 50 samples/second. Accelerometer range is +/- 32 Gs. Flights that exceed 32 Gs during boost will still have accurate apogee detection thanks to the Blue Jay's multi-sensor fault tolerant apogee detection. Baro-based altitude, accel-based speed and position, battery voltage, deployment continuity voltages, temperature, and all flight event logic are all recorded during the flight.

The dimensions are 1.45" long x 0.65" wide.

Comparing the Blue Jay to the Blue Raven altimeter, several features were cut to save size and cost. There are 2 output channels rather than 4. The flash memory space is reduced, and the data is recorded at only 50 samples/second. The Blue Raven has a 400G accelerometer that the Blue Jay does not, so the Blue Jay's maximum accelerometer measurements are +/- 32 Gs. The Blue Jay does not have the Blue Raven's large hold-up supercapacitor which can keep the Blue Raven powered even if the battery is shorted through the outputs for several seconds, as can happen during anomalies or high powered airstarts. Instead, the Blue Jay has about 15 msec of operating time without input power, and will turn off power to the outputs if a brownout is imminent. This makes the Blue Jay suitable for ematches but not igniters. The barometric sensor is smaller and less expensive than the one used on the Blue Raven. In bell jar tests it matches well with the Blue Raven's readings up to about 35,000 feet, and it continues to operate and provide monotonic readings (needed for apogee detection) up to the limit of my current test equipment, which is about 75,000 feet. Its performance above that altitude is not yet known.
 

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@Adrian A : How can I order this? Not seeing on your site yet.
 
Looks awesome, Adrian!

Can this be used for staging, or just dual deployment? it looks like it's too big for an 18mm body tube, what is the status of that product that you were teasing us about?
 
Looks awesome, Adrian!

Can this be used for staging, or just dual deployment? it looks like it's too big for an 18mm body tube, what is the status of that product that you were teasing us about?
I haven't decided about staging yet. It may be an optional (+$20) feature, and it would only be compatible for ematches.

I flew it in an 18mm body tube a few months ago. It won't fit into an 18mm coupler though.
 
Ok.... I am seriously interested in this one! Is there a timeline for introduction? I'll be one of the first in line to buy a couple!
Thanks!

Hopefully in a few weeks. I'm currently working on the firmware for current limiting and brownout avoidance. Then I need to finish my programming and test fixture and the production test scripts. The first 120 production units are ready for programming and testing.
 
The dimensions are 1.45" long x 0.65" wide.

OK Then ...

I am looking at the dimensions of coupler tubes on the Mach 1 Rocketry > Components > Fiberglass Coupler Tube page.

I don't want to take you away more important things like updating the Featherweight Altimeters website so I can place an order :)

And it looks like I am good to go with an 18mm airframe but do you know offhand the smallest diameter tube that the Blue Jay will slide into ?

Thanks SO much, Adrian !

Woo Hoo !!

-- kjh

EDIT: I was looking at the Mach 1 site while Adrian was writing this:
I flew it in an 18mm body tube a few months ago. It won't fit into an 18mm coupler though.

So I'll plan on a long switchband-style av-bay :)
 
This is fantastic! Really happy to see new stuff coming out, especially in a time when it seems that many vendors are disappearing from this hobby, sad to say. Thank you for continuing to develop new products and thank you for being so active in this community!
 
I haven't decided about staging yet. It may be an optional (+$20) feature, and it would only be compatible for ematches.

I flew it in an 18mm body tube a few months ago. It won't fit into an 18mm coupler though.
Staging Aerotech or Quest 18mm composites seems like it would be tough, as I don't see an ematch could fit through their nozzles. Maybe someone has research motors with a larger nozzle opening.

Still a very cool and exciting product.
 
And here I thought you were too busy working on pushing the other end of the envelope to worry about the vast majority of 'sport flyers' who just want easy. Very impressed with the feature set for the price.

Thanks to you and all the vendors who supply our hobby with such great tools!


Tony
 
I am so jazzed about the Blue Jay !

One thing I'll have to get used to again, which I had to learn ( the hard way ) flying the AltAcc is to mind my P's -n- Q's -n- G's if I want good drag and thrust curve analysis.

I just stumbled upon the max acceleration for the RMS 18/20 D24T and the (oop) E27T when I was changing out my 18mm coupler av-bay for a switchband av-bay in my little 'Una Tercera Vulcanita 18" Vulcanite scale model.

I am NOT knocking nor complaining about the specs of the Blue Jay !

I LOVE it !

As Adrian said, apogee detection will have a baro-based fallback !

And I am sure my real model will be a tad heavier so it is will probably be a moot point for me but, just sayin' ...

I am so jazzed about the Blue Jay !

Thanks, Adrian !!

-- kjh

Casey Jones you better watch your G's !
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The Featherweight Blue Jay is a new entry-level altimeter that has most of the Blue Raven's capability at under half the price ($80). View attachment 670060
It's also smaller and easier to install because it uses 2 screw terminals per e-match, and it has a magnetic switch built in. Just connect a battery and your e-matches and you're ready to fly. This makes it perfect for new users and for squeezing in a backup altimeter into a small space


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Like the Blue Raven, the Blue Jay connects over Bluetooth to the the Featherweight UI phone app, available for iOS and Android. The app shows you live sensor health and continuity voltages so you know for sure your rocket is ready for launch when you're at the pad, without having to memorize beep sequences. After landing, it immediately downloads a flight summary and then follows up with the rest of the recorded data that you can review with in-app graphs or export via email or any other file sharing. The app also has a ground test feature that records video and on-board data when testing charges, and a sophisticated and realistic flight simulation that lets you test everything out before flight and verify that your deployment settings will work the way you want them to.
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The Blue Jay goes beyond other entry-level alternatives by including gyro for tilt calculation and inertial navigation, which it records at 50 samples/second. Accelerometer range is +/- 32 Gs. Flights that exceed 32 Gs during boost will still have accurate apogee detection thanks to the Blue Jay's multi-sensor fault tolerant apogee detection. Baro-based altitude, accel-based speed and position, battery voltage, deployment continuity voltages, temperature, and all flight event logic are all recorded during the flight.

The dimensions are 1.45" long x 0.65" wide.

Comparing the Blue Jay to the Blue Raven altimeter, several features were cut to save size and cost. There are 2 output channels rather than 4. The flash memory space is reduced, and the data is recorded at only 50 samples/second. The Blue Raven has a 400G accelerometer that the Blue Jay does not, so the Blue Jay's maximum accelerometer measurements are +/- 32 Gs. The Blue Jay does not have the Blue Raven's large hold-up supercapacitor which can keep the Blue Raven powered even if the battery is shorted through the outputs for several seconds, as can happen during anomalies or high powered airstarts. Instead, the Blue Jay has about 15 msec of operating time without input power, and will turn off power to the outputs if a brownout is imminent. This makes the Blue Jay suitable for ematches but not igniters. The barometric sensor is smaller and less expensive than the one used on the Blue Raven. In bell jar tests it matches well with the Blue Raven's readings up to about 35,000 feet, and it continues to operate and provide monotonic readings (needed for apogee detection) up to the limit of my current test equipment, which is about 75,000 feet. Its performance above that altitude is not yet known.
 
This looks perfect for the booster of a 2 stage. Have it hooked to 2 e-matches, 1 for separation charge and 1 for the booster chute charge. Could this be what the staging option allows? If so I would love to get one.
Yes, optional staging capability would allow all the output settings options that the Blue Raven has, including airstarts etc. Without the staging option, the output settings will always check for apogee detection.
 
Im liking this. One question....where do you hook up a switch to it?
 
Im liking this. One question....where do you hook up a switch to it?
I’ll jump in here since that’s one of the things that has me most excited about this altimeter. It has a built in magnetic switch so no extra wiring is needed. I now use mag switches on all my electronics – altimeters and trackers. So much cleaner than mechanical ones. Having it built in also reduces the footprint of the device.


Tony
 
I am so jazzed about the Blue Jay !

I just stumbled upon the max acceleration for the RMS 18/20 D24T and the (oop) E27T when I was changing out my 18mm coupler av-bay for a switchband av-bay in my little 'Una Tercera Vulcanita 18" Vulcanite scale model.
When Adrian announced he was working on one for 18mm in the LPR forum, I went and made an 18mm aluminum mandrel for wrapping my own tubes, got a tiny RDF tracker, and ordered a few packs of 18mm RMS D2.3RCT motors.... The D2.3RCT's don't have enough thrust to lift the rocket off the pad quickly, so I am adding two outboard 13mm pods for A3T's that will light with a flash pan ignition from the RMS exhaust.

I'm pretty excited about it too!
 
I’ll jump in here since that’s one of the things that has me most excited about this altimeter. It has a built in magnetic switch so no extra wiring is needed. I now use mag switches on all my electronics – altimeters and trackers. So much cleaner than mechanical ones. Having it built in also reduces the footprint of the device.


Tony
All I would need to buy is a magnet? Cool. I've wanted to try magnetic switches to clean up my builds and possibly eliminate the need for a switchband.
 
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