i had a LOC onyx for about 3 days before i lost it, BUT. i put it up on its maiden flight on an F50. these fins are big, and they are surface mount. it came down pretty quick on a 24" estes chute choked way up due to wind and with a spill hole cut. it buried a fin, and it still survived. the method i used with that rocket was, i took my hobby knife and stabbed little holes along the fin mark line, then i laid down some 5 minute epoxy over that and waited for it to get tacky. i did the same thing to the bottom of the fin. (the BT was also sanded for this) then i laid down fillets the regular way and it was golden, with 5 minute epoxy. i flew it once on an F50 and once on a G80. the F50 was a sweet flight which was barely seen. the G80 was more viewable, however, it came down in nowhere land and i lost it. but it was still together when it was falling. muhahahaha. i believe the epoxy was west systems. its very good stuff.