Has anyone used the new Estes Star Tech Igniters

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When clustering, it seems to me it would be unsafe to use inconsistent igniters/starters, what ever name you want to use.
If engines lit on only one side of 7 engine cluster, it could loop into a crowd. Correct?
Whoever the idiots are that took reliability out of the igniters and changed the name needs to hung up by the bowling balls by starters.
 

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When clustering, it seems to me it would be unsafe to use inconsistent igniters/starters, what ever name you want to use.
If engines lit on only one side of 7 engine cluster, it could loop into a crowd. Correct?
Whoever the idiots are that took reliability out of the igniters and changed the name needs to hung up by the bowling balls by starters.
I fly 7 motor clusters regularly. If 1, 2, 3 motors don’t light, still flies straight. Of course, with Q2G2s, it was rare for even 1 motor not to light. I haven’t given up on clusters with StarTech, but more testing is required.
 

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This may be a stupid question, but does it take actual burning material (tip of the igniter) or will a high voltage arc (sparkplug) work?
It doesn't take a burning material, just heat, at least for BP motors. Someone has asked about sparkplugs before, but I don't remember if anyone had actually tried it. Certainly it would be far more difficult to arrange such a setup vs. our usual 12V systems.
 

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I tested 1 pack and they simply work.
 

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That would be great... but the F26 and F50 being sold now are specifically rebadged Aerotech motors. If Estes comes out with it's own composites (which would be a mighty interesting development) then I would expect the motors to be at least slightly different (that is, not exactly F26 and F50).
These are leftover stock.

At NARAM-60 BMS was acting as a agent for Estes and was selling F26 motors for $10/each and E30 motors for $7/each.

AeroTech has not made any motors for Estes to relabel since the original production run years ago.
 

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I spotted Startech starters "in the wild" for the first time yesterday- in packs of C6-5s in the new Hobby Lobby dedicated packages (which have images of the HL price stickers right on the insert card). Interestingly enough there were B6-4s and A10-3Ts in the new packaging but with old starters in them, even though the A10s were made a month more recently, per the date codes on the motors.
 

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It doesn't take a burning material, just heat, at least for BP motors. Someone has asked about sparkplugs before, but I don't remember if anyone had actually tried it. Certainly it would be far more difficult to arrange such a setup vs. our usual 12V systems.
I was thinking along the lines of something that will insert into any size black powder engine that can be reused over and over. A heavier gauge wire that will arc, separated by some non-conductive, heat resistant material.
It's just a thought, but if something that would be available for at least 100 uses or more should have a market over the common type igniters. (I refuse to call them starters) I know I would be interested.
Perhaps someone like Mr. Beans from Jolly Logic could look into it.
I don't have the resources or knowledge, and anything I would make up I wouldn't have the funding to bring to market.
It would be great for myself but it would be awesome to be available to everyone.
 

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I did a two motor cluster using Startechs at our club launch - worked fine, though the bitsa rocket was sacrificed to the Evil Corn, it did launch and fly perfectly. It’s only a single data point and with the juice the club’s system puts out maybe not all that relevant. But they did work.
 

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I was thinking along the lines of something that will insert into any size black powder engine that can be reused over and over.
I have been known to get two launches out of a Solar igniter. That required a launch controller with limited output current.

The problem is that you are inserting a metal object into a very tough environment. Not only the heat but the corrosive combustion products. Nothing will last very long in that.
 

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I have been known to get two launches out of a Solar igniter. That required a launch controller with limited output current.

The problem is that you are inserting a metal object into a very tough environment. Not only the heat but the corrosive combustion products. Nothing will last very long in that.
That's true. Well, it was a thought. Good idea, but not feasible I guess.
 
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