# Has anyone used the new Estes Star Tech Igniters

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#### CalebJ

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There was a discussion about them here:

I don't think anybody's gotten their hands on the production version yet.

#### KILTED COWBOY

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There was a discussion about them here:

I don't think anybody's gotten their hands on the production version yet.
Thanks interesting. I did a forum search and came up empty. That's why the new thread.
Think I will order a pack and see how they do.

#### rklapp

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I heard they're slower so could be an issue with clustering.

#### CalebJ

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I heard they're slower so could be an issue with clustering.
I'm definitely interested to see more on that when testing is done. Slow is fine as long as it's consistent. But that might be too much toa sk.

#### neil_w

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I heard they're slower so could be an issue with clustering.
Too early to speculate, let's wait for some testing. I would hope that the new ones would be better for clustering, but we have to wait and see.

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#### jrap330

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Interesting in their announcement Estes stated numerous times...it is a non pyrogen, non explosive.

#### rharshberger

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@BEC has a video of them he took, they dont pop so much as burst into a small flame, better than the current iteration.

#### rklapp

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@BEC has a video of them he took, they dont pop so much as burst into a small flame, better than the current iteration.
But about half a second slower...

#### rharshberger

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But about half a second slower...
But if they are consistently .5 seconds slower then they all should fire at the same time, no issue there (unless mixing old and new igniters of course).

#### BEC

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But about half a second slower...
Remember those videos are in 240 fps slow motion.

Interesting in their announcement Estes stated numerous times...it is a non pyrogen, non explosive.
Of course! Otherwise they'd be in the same regulatory pickle that gave us the current yellowish tipped "starters." I'm sure that was a fun tightrope to walk—coming up with something that worked noticeably better but doesn't draw the attention of those who want to restrict such things.

Just got a notice that Estes has upgraded it's igniters.
Has anyone had the opportunity to use them yet?

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Come back to the Five and Dime Q2G2s, Q2G2s!

#### BEC

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I still have a few of those betas. Maybe I should grab an older Solar Igniter that isn't obviously damaged and do another comparison video.
I was taking some comparison videos today while trying a QuickBurst product. Here is a straight StarTech vs. old but undamaged Solar igniter comparison. As before, fired by my PSII controller which is running on a small 3s LiPoly battery. 240 FPS video taken by my iPhone 7+. Sorry about the slightly soft focus. But it shows what you want to know pretty clearly. Solar on the left, StarTech on the right. I think the StarTechs are going to be fine, except, maybe, for clusters…bit then clustering with the old Solar igniters wasn’t always the greatest either….

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#### rklapp

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I was taking some comparison videos today while trying a QuickBurst product. Here is a straight StarTech vs. old but undamaged Solar igniter comparison. As before, fired by my PSII controller which is running on a small 3s LiPoly battery. 240 FPS video taken by my iPhone 7+. Sorry about the slightly soft focus. But it shows what you want to know pretty clearly. Solar on the left, StarTech on the right. I think the StarTechs are going to be fine, except, maybe, for clusters…bit then clustering with the old Solar igniters wasn’t always the greatest either….
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Cool. For some reason, I had to download the video to watch it.

#### TigerHawk

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Has anyone been able to try these BP starters,

#### dmo

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I'll fly my next couple 7 motor clusters with Sonic to see how they work. It seems likely that these won't be around for long - now that Estes no longer makes any kits requiring the E30, I'd guess that they're just selling existing stock of the Sonic Igniters.
The F26 and F50 are back and require a Sonic, so the Sonic should be around for a while.

#### dpower

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The F26 and F50 are back and require a Sonic, so the Sonic should be around for a while.
Probably just selling off stock, none of their current kits have those as a recommended motor, and they’re no longer in the catalog.

#### dmo

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Probably just selling off stock, none of their current kits have those as a recommended motor, and they’re no longer in the catalog.
Right they have not been in the catalog since 2018, but they are on the Estes sight now, and on the AC Supply sight as "New". So, it looks like they may be bringing them back. Perhaps for a yet to be announced kit?

#### neil_w

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Right they have not been in the catalog since 2018, but they are on the Estes sight now, and on the AC Supply sight as "New". So, it looks like they may be bringing them back. Perhaps for a yet to be announced kit?
I'd be *really* surprised if they brought them back. Estes makes its money selling motors that it manufactures, not rebadged Aerotechs like those.

If they do come back it would signal something interesting going on there, although I'm not quite sure what it would be.