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#### CPUTommy

I'd like to take a moment to remeber my DEMON. I spent stupid $on paint.. and now I have enough parts from both destroyed birds to make a shadow box..nothing salvageable, not even the motor retainer.. here is the carnage of my beloved L2 rocket..it was a Scrab-54..it never let me down, until I gave it a DIET.. Figured it cost me about a g just in that one shot.....id love to start a go fund me but can't bring myself to do that. I lost ALL my electronics, Big Red Bee, jolly logic altimiter and a flightsketch postage stamp, as well as my eagle tree altimiter, my RRC3 , An eggfinder gps.(4 altimiters)..the MAJOR PROBLEM I HAVE... I KNOW IT BROKE 7,000 FEET BUT CANT PROVE IT. All of my electronics have been returned to sand.. 75mm project is already on the bench...and its a sad day as there is nothing to put inside. #### Attachments • 222.7 KB Views: 120 • 212 KB Views: 123 • 166.1 KB Views: 118 • 163.8 KB Views: 113 • 189 KB Views: 108 • 137.5 KB Views: 105 • 154.5 KB Views: 109 • 207.7 KB Views: 107 • 141.2 KB Views: 107 • 184.2 KB Views: 103 #### CPUTommy ##### Thrust cures All My 4 inch ebay is now 1.5 inches... to include the sled, altimeters, trackers, and also a fresh 9 volt squeezed into something ud put in a watch. Uggh.. Such a setback it hasent hit me yet.. #### Attachments • 212 KB Views: 76 • 234.6 KB Views: 73 • 143.1 KB Views: 65 • 140.5 KB Views: 62 • 177.8 KB Views: 66 • 2.7 MB Views: 18 • 6.8 MB Views: 10 • 88.9 KB Views: 64 • 156.5 KB Views: 60 #### AeroTech ##### Lifetime Supporter TRF Lifetime Supporter I'm sorry for your loss... #### neil_w ##### Yum yum rockety goodness TRF Supporter Ouch. #### Sluggo ##### Well-Known Member Sorry to hear this. I haven't been on the forum very long but this is the worst crash I've seen/heard about. How did you locate the rocket.?? I think probably you are over a grand. Pretty sad. #### timbucktoo ##### Well-Known Member Staff member TRF Supporter Global Mod Bruce Patrick had a bad day at LaBelle. You are not alone! #### CPUTommy ##### Thrust cures All #### Attachments • 121.4 KB Views: 55 • 158.7 KB Views: 55 • 121.4 KB Views: 53 • 87.1 KB Views: 51 • 145.7 KB Views: 54 • 66.4 KB Views: 53 #### Steve Shannon ##### Well-Known Member TRF Supporter Tom, Do you know what happened? Sorry for your loss. I know the feeling. Most of us who have done this for awhile have had a shovel recovery where electronic components shear right off the pcb. In my case it was because I didn’t turn on my altimeter. You’ll bounce back! #### CPUTommy ##### Thrust cures All Tom, Do you know what happened? Sorry for your loss. I know the feeling. Most of us who have done this for awhile have had a shovel recovery where electronic components shear right off the pcb. In my case it was because I didn’t turn on my altimeter. You’ll bounce back! I have an idea, however unless I was up at that altitude I have only an assumption.. I do know that from what ever height (alot if us were hitting 10k and I feel confident I was up in thst area...the rocket came in ballistic and unlike grass or dirt.. we have the second hardest substance known to man.. ICE. Still sux and the bummed out part is hittin.. uggh. All my altimeters -Eagle tree -jolly logic altimeter -flightskits postage stamp -RRRC3 DUST TO DUST.. Haven't fully opened the ebay yet.. it makes me want to vomit. #### Steve Shannon ##### Well-Known Member TRF Supporter I have an idea, however unless I was up at that altitude I have only an assumption.. I do know that from what ever height (alot if us were hitting 10k and I feel confident I was up in thst area...the rocket came in ballistic and unlike grass or dirt.. we have the second hardest substance known to man.. ICE. Still sux and the bummed out part is hittin.. uggh. All my altimeters -Eagle tree -jolly logic altimeter -flightskits postage stamp -RRRC3 DUST TO DUST.. Haven't fully opened the ebay yet.. it makes me want to vomit. Of your four altimeters (the most I have heard of in a single rocket) I assume the Missileworks was primary? Did you have any backup for deployment? Were there any powder burns to show that your apogee charge(s) had ignited? I always ask my experienced friends to help me with post mortems; their objectivity and fresh perspectives are always helpful. #### AndrewB ##### Well-Known Member Hope you have a better day, I can not say I've had the best day either. #### CPUTommy ##### Thrust cures All Of your four altimeters (the most I have heard of in a single rocket) I assume the Missileworks was primary? Did you have any backup for deployment? Were there any powder burns to show that your apogee charge(s) had ignited? I always ask my experienced friends to help me with post mortems; their objectivity and fresh perspectives are always helpful. Motor ejection, Jolly Logic chute releases at 800 -Altimeter 1 from Jolly logic (small weighs nothing) -Flightsketch altimeter another light weight option -Eagle Tree Altimeter (by far the most accurate that I've found) again weighs nothing.. -RRC3 also for altitude and "along for the ride on the sled that was going inside the rocket. Oh I bought a big red bee that I also tossed in for good measure so that getting back the rocket would be a definite. Im in a fog not knowing whats what.. uggh.. Tom #### Attachments • 132.7 KB Views: 49 • 242.5 KB Views: 46 • 165.6 KB Views: 43 • 129.7 KB Views: 43 • 189.3 KB Views: 46 • 134.5 KB Views: 47 • 167.4 KB Views: 47 • 210.3 KB Views: 44 • 167.2 KB Views: 43 • 148.7 KB Views: 41 #### dhbarr ##### Amateur Professional Step away, deep breaths. Watch a show that's not quite interesting enough to keep you awake, come back when it's not so raw. In through the nose, out through the mouth. #### CPUTommy ##### Thrust cures All Good idea.. #### Attachments • 253.8 KB Views: 126 #### OverTheTop ##### Well-Known Member TRF Supporter Sorry to hear. These bigger birds get expensive to destroy or lose. #### CPUTommy ##### Thrust cures All Yup, then when u put every peice of electronics in and they get so destroyed...ya.. I guess...I just don't know.. #### Attachments • 167.1 KB Views: 17 • 210.3 KB Views: 17 • 167.4 KB Views: 14 • 148.7 KB Views: 14 • 167.2 KB Views: 13 • 210.3 KB Views: 12 • 167.4 KB Views: 14 • 134.5 KB Views: 14 • 189.3 KB Views: 16 • 137.5 KB Views: 16 #### crossfire ##### Lifetime Supporter TRF Lifetime Supporter Motor ejection, Jolly Logic chute releases at 800 -Altimeter 1 from Jolly logic (small weighs nothing) -Flightsketch altimeter another light weight option -Eagle Tree Altimeter (by far the most accurate that I've found) again weighs nothing.. -RRC3 also for altitude and "along for the ride on the sled that was going inside the rocket. Oh I bought a big red bee that I also tossed in for good measure so that getting back the rocket would be a definite. Im in a fog not knowing whats what.. uggh.. Tom So you had not ejection? #### RalPh8 ##### Well-Known Member I'd like to take a moment to remeber my DEMON. I spent stupid$ on paint.. and now I have enough parts from both destroyed birds to make a shadow box..nothing salvageable, not even the motor retainer.. here is the carnage of my beloved L2 rocket..it was a Scrab-54..it never let me down, until I gave it a DIET.. Figured it cost me about a g just in that one shot.....id love to start a go fund me but can't bring myself to do that. I lost ALL my electronics, Big Red Bee, jolly logic altimiter and a flightsketch postage stamp, as well as my eagle tree altimiter, my RRC3 , An eggfinder gps.(4 altimiters)..the MAJOR PROBLEM I HAVE... I KNOW IT BROKE 7,000 FEET BUT CANT PROVE IT. All of my electronics have been returned to sand..

75mm project is already on the bench...and its a sad day as there is nothing to put inside.
I’m all for redundancy but dare we say... don’t put all your eggs in one basket? Sorry this happened. Looked like a beautiful bird.

#### Zeus-cat

##### Well-Known Member
Really sorry to see this.

#### crossfire

Did you use one switch to arm all altimeters or forget to turn them on?

#### Steve Shannon

##### Well-Known Member
TRF Supporter
Did you use one switch to arm all altimeters or forget to turn them on?
None were configured for deployment. He just had them riding along.

#### CPUTommy

##### Thrust cures All
I’m all for redundancy but dare we say... don’t put all your eggs in one basket? Sorry this happened. Looked like a beautiful bird.
Hence why I gave up farming...

Was a rugged solid very strong flyer, figured I'd do a simple quick altimeter comparison. Weight was nothing to worry about so..

in they went..

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#### CPUTommy

##### Thrust cures All
Not sure even the chips are able to get the written data off of them.

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#### GalantVR41062

##### Celebrate Recovery
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I had a 2 stage project a few years ago come in ballistic on the frozen lake. I called it a Ice pick after a failure to stage and failed apogee charge. Who would have guessed a bt60 plastic nose cone could make it 2" into the ice.

My whole rocket fit into a gallon container... I salvaged the chips also, but gave up on the idea on retrieving data, but plan a picture box as a reminder.

I analyzed video and Google maps and open rocket to verify my rocket made it to 2000' on a AT G79w. The sustainer would have cleared 1 mile if the G40w started.

~John

#### crossfire

None were configured for deployment. He just had them riding along.
Oh boy. He won't do that again.

#### CPUTommy

##### Thrust cures All
I hit 7,000 feet on my L2 cert.
CTI J335

I shortened the rocket and shed almost a full pound, and put in a J425 6 grain..

Just to try to break my 7k record.

From the ground it got all of 10,000 feet.. (comparing other flights before and after mine)

But nothing to verify the real altitude.

#### llickteig1

##### KLOUDBusters Chief Logistician
Ask around. Very few experienced rocketers trust motor ejection - electronics are so much more reliable when used as intended. A bunch of ride-alongs without any for deployment?

#### CPUTommy

##### Thrust cures All
Haven't had to many issues with CTI ejection not working. This one worked as designed.. putting 1bs of recovery into a 2lbs bag is hard

Just needed altimeters to verify altitude.. and the jolly logic works great...

#### CPUTommy

##### Thrust cures All
Think *musket gun" in 38 mm...

Block the barel... ya.. like that..

motor ejection worked flawless..

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