# GUNS & ROCKETS

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#### double bogey

##### Member
View attachment 402469 Picked these 4 up the other day, all sold as wall hangers but i'll get a couple checked out to see if they can at least do some black powder blanks.
The one on the left has a beautiful stock, shame the action is to loose. If the one on the right shoots, I would see if the nice stock will fit. From the pic they could be the same mfg. Good luck.

For the 6.5 creed guys out there, I am really impressed how my Ruger Am Predator shoots. I bought it thinking I might have to upgrade the stock, but so far at 100, it's doing 1/2" groups, with 140gr. Hornady eldm and 43.5gr. H4350 powder.

My first post on a rocket forum, and it's on a gun thread. Wonder where my head is.

#### Mugs914

##### "Use enough dynamite there Butch?"
Welcome Bogey!! No wrong place to put your first post...

#### Andrew_ASC

##### UTC SEDS 2017 3rd/ SEDS 2018 1st
Took a massive break from rockets for past month or two. Need to get back into it. (Rockets). Work schedule has been nutty busy sorry. Wanted a nice Piston AR-15. Needless to say pissed a few grand on a HK MR556A1 upper, PSA lower, magpul CTR Stock, aero LPK, magpul Mbus, and bcm buffer tube and finally a Geiselle SSA mr556 trigger. Have to say smoothest AR I ever shot. My wallet legit hates me this month.. I used to hate AR15s a lot for feeling like pogo sticks. This thing is rock solid. I want nice optic next. I’ll try to L2 this year. Dunno when...

#### Andrew_ASC

##### UTC SEDS 2017 3rd/ SEDS 2018 1st

Bought a a Geissele 416 SMR rail. I could see how from a “collector point” one may want that HK lower. I saw no sense in paying $400 plus for just an AR Lower that was limited to only M3 pmags or Hk mags etc. By going with a plain PSA lower for$50 I was able to afford a nice aftermarket parts. Also I didn’t need a “tool” to take rifle apart at lower joining upper. You still need a flat head to take the handguard off to access piston. I wanted that geissele trigger over the stock trigger from the get go. Yeah I had no intentions of keeping it stock. Lol... Now a MR223A3 lower at least those have new features that most AR lower doesn’t have. Imo... And yeah I want a QD Harris bipod and TA31 with ACSS/rmr on QD till I figure out what else I wanna do with rifle... To me milspec forged AR lower is AR lower. If you want to get anal rententive about it all... A 416 stripped lower has like different mag well contour and slight profile differences. I bought this rifle to shoot the snot out of not getting in a picture clone fest argument collector crap. Lmfao.

Guys on YouTube tested similar rifle mr556 upper to 1000 yards with nice optics.. You “can” run it like an AR carbine. It’s just 9 lbs 6 oz with 30 round Hk polymer mag loaded with 77 gr imi OTM mod 1 as I configured it. I just view this as a really robust precise rifle imo that could do carbine courses if forced. Reportedly Marines M27 IAR is more like 12.7 pounds with all the crap they throw on it.

I may have barrel reprofiled or sbr this thing eventually but for now am very happy. Next AR build looking into PRI MK12 uppers etc and SSA_E trigger... Word is it’ll do .4 moa but only has barrel longevity of 4K rounds. And the scopes for those builds cost more than the gun imo.... For my first AR I like the HK upper a helluva a lot. There are more accurate rifles or better ones for carbine courses. I highly doubt you’d find one as durable as the HK.

#### Andrew_ASC

##### UTC SEDS 2017 3rd/ SEDS 2018 1st
Why would anyone want to shoot something 20,000 without cleaning. I go about 500-600 on my Daniel before a good clean but 20K?
Not saying I’d do it. Military did it to prove a freakin point... They had SF guys deployed global scale without access to unit armorers and chunking 55k rounds down range in a matter of months. And in war time they didn’t always have luxury of cleaning damn thing. I think M4 is fine gun. But you had SF users say hey we used an M4 as hard as a belt fed LMG and it failed at X rounds. We need tougher unit to use than X rounds. I usually clean my guns after range session. And POF P416 survived 2540 rounds full auto mag dump after mag dump while a brand new AK103 failed at 1400 rounds. People wanna complain of the price increase on piston guns. Let the twats argue AR or AK all day. I’ll pick a 416 type system before either of those, it’s expensive but imo the reliability speaks for itself. Like 95% of fouling goes out bore or stays near piston. Chamber is clean after 400 rounds. Literally. Oh and bolt comes out cold. Love it.... Very awesome to have an AR that’s AK simple to clean looool.

#### grouch

##### Well-Known Member
So you are telling me that a man that trust his life to a weapon will intentionally not clean said weapon so he can run 55k through it to prove a point? I call BS. Piston AR's come into their own when suppressed but not needed otherwise. DI guns are proven to be more accurate if you like that sort of thing. I'm not bagging on your stick, it's a nice rifle (upper) but so are a lot of others.

FYI, my next rifle will most likely be piston operated. I've had my eye on a Rifle Dynamics AKM for a while now. Won't happen soon but will happen.

#### Andrew_ASC

##### UTC SEDS 2017 3rd/ SEDS 2018 1st

Geissele 416 SMR rail installed. Literally this is the tightest rail I’ve ever laid my hands on. Like if you do not put thin oil on the trunnion then get a freakin’ brass hammer tight. Apparently they weren’t BSing about 0.001” clearance. A lotta wiggling then it just locks up tight. Much narrower profile than HK keymod. Rifle points nicer. Way faster seemingly because you can grip it better lol.

Arisaka Defense has neat plug ins for surefire stuff like the indexer or M300/600 mounts that clear a laser. Haven’t messed with the pic rails. Eager to see if my zero got destroyed next time I’m at range.

As far as wants go, good optics, larue mounts QD, sling, short fore grip, weapon light. And maybe SBR it to 10.4 or reprofile wayyy later. So far it’s dream rifle to me. And not real certain on what order to proceed but leaning optics.

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#### grouch

##### Well-Known Member
Nice set up. Arisaka is good to go. My SureFire uses one of their offset MLok mounts. Also, get yourself some decent gloves. Like an AK, piston guns get very hot around the gas block.

#### rfjustin

##### Well-Known Member
I like that Geissele rail, MLOK much better than Keymod IMO.

Put that X300 back on your VP9 where it belongs!

Great idea!

#### UncleJoe

##### Active Member
Yet this is the 21st century and I still don't have my flying car.

#### o1d_dude

##### 'I battle gravity'
Yet this is the 21st century and I still don't have my flying car.
Or the jet packs we were promised.

#### Speaknoevil

##### Well-Known Member
I thought this was a great commercial. I see it is from 2017 so apologize if it was already shared.

Now that's funny

#### rfjustin

##### Well-Known Member
.223/5.56, 300 blackout, and 6.5 Creed group therapy tomorrow, happy Friday!