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As soon as I can get the documentation complete, FlisKits will be announcing 3 new cluster kits!

All based on the BT80!


First is the EMK4-24-80 (four 24mm motors in a BT-80) (see attachement) The engine tubes on this puppy are 4" long so that you can configure it for the Estes E motors!
 
Last comes one inspired by one of our most popular engine mounts...

the EMK5-124-418-80 (one 24mm motor surrounded by four 18mm motors in a BT-80). Again, the 24mm motor tube will be 4" to accomodate the Estes E motors.
 
At this time, there is no plan to include engine hooks on these cluster engine mount kits. They add a great deal of cost and feedback that we have received in the past is that folks seem to prefer larger clusters (4+ motors) without hooks, preferring to friction fit them.

Feedback here is most welcome.

We hope to have these released later this month

jim
 
omigosh omigosh omigosh!

DROOOL!

Is pre-ordering open yet Jim???

:D:D:D

Jason
 
Actually, since you asked, I'd like to see a 3X24mm mount.
Only for the reason that motors come three to a pack...
Other than that, I like it!
I may have to put one of the EMK5-124-418-80 in my Executioner.
 
As soon as we get these on the market, if they do anywhere near as well as the other EMK's we have we will certainly do an EMK3-24-80

jim
 
Jim,

Have you ever considered mounting those inside of a BT-80 coupler tube so they can be interchanged as a unit? I did that with my Phoenix mounts, and it's provided a wide variety of boost options, from the original 24mm up through a combo of 18's and even a single 29mm. All of them friction fit (with a little tape to help keep it tight).

Just an idea - hey you asked for feedback right?

If my finances clear up anytime soon (like I actually get a paying job!) I'll be ordering some of those.

WW
 
If you want to put an E in a cluster, the tubes should be 5" long. 3.5" for the engine, 0.5" for the thrust ring, and 1" for the wadding to prevent back-ignition from the other engines.
 
Originally posted by DJ Delorie
If you want to put an E in a cluster, the tubes should be 5" long. 3.5" for the engine, 0.5" for the thrust ring, and 1" for the wadding to prevent back-ignition from the other engines.

hhhmmmm, my experience leads me to beleive that 4.0" is enough. 3.5" for the motor, 1/4" for the thrust ring, leaving you 1/2" (the interior of the thrust ring plus the reamining tube" for wadding.

Acutally, what I usually do is place a tight ball of wadding in the end of the motor and hold it in place with one layer of masking tape. That seems to work well also.

jim
 
Ok, as long as you've thought about that. I built a cluster and forgot to add space for the wadding, and ended up gluing short sections of tube in front of each engine for it, so I'm kinda sensitive to getting that wrong at the moment ;-)
 
I have to chime in now.
The talk about motor tube length and all.
I don't know about anyone else but I don't put motors all the way into a tube. I leave at least 1/4" usually 1/2" hanging out. (need some of the motor to grab hold of for removal)
 
Right... The motors are 3 3/4" long. 3 1/2" of tube leaves 1/4" exposed. That's just about where the bulge from the clay nozzle starts to jam in the tube anyway.
 
I'm sorry your right. I don't know why I was thinking the Estes E motors were 3 1/2" Seems sometimes my brains aren't working right (Grew up in the 60s and 70s)
 
i can already see my next fliskits component rocket - the 7-18mm cluster, the new baffle, a payload section and a long cone.
whoa forgot to include Mr. Crispy decal down near the motors.

of course this would make one great twilight, nightflight rocket
 
Hmmm.. Jim has been pretty quiet (for him ;) ) which usually means that somethin' really cool is headed our way!!!

I am psyched!!

Phred
 
Now, this is awesome.
I've got at least a dozen BT80 tubes waiting to be used.
I'm almost out of BT70, so these are coming out at a great time.
Outstanding. Now, what to build, what to build?

Tim
 
Originally posted by jflis
At this time, there is no plan to include engine hooks on these cluster engine mount kits. They add a great deal of cost and feedback that we have received in the past is that folks seem to prefer larger clusters (4+ motors) without hooks, preferring to friction fit them.

Feedback here is most welcome.

We hope to have these released later this month

jim

Hey Jim...are those fiber or lite ply?
 
Originally posted by DJ Delorie
Ok, as long as you've thought about that. I built a cluster and forgot to add space for the wadding, and ended up gluing short sections of tube in front of each engine for it, so I'm kinda sensitive to getting that wrong at the moment ;-)

oh yea, I gutted my first Estes Saturn V that way.... was a TERRIBLE sight. Fairly good boost on 2 C motors. Chutes came out and as she came down, she got blacker and blacker as smoke poured out the top. the 3rd motor had ignited in reverse and gutted her... ick
 
Originally posted by rbeckey
Now all you need are KITS that use these mounts!

yea, yea, yea... we already know this... :) but storing a few hundred centering rings for BT-80's is a WHOLE lot different than storing a few thousand BT-80's....

We've been talking about it, but space is a real concern. I would suspect that when we come out with one such kit, we will come out with 3-4 actually, just to give us a way to go through a lot of tubes... Plus I can only imagine what nose cones for such a beast would cost... LOL
 
Originally posted by astronboy
Hmmm.. Jim has been pretty quiet (for him ;) ) which usually means that somethin' really cool is headed our way!!!

I am psyched!!

Phred


hehehehehehehehehehe yep (well *I* think so...) check out the new thread in the Vendors forum about our birthday (well, give me a minute to put it in there... :) )

jim
 
Originally posted by flying_silverad
Hey Jim...are those fiber or lite ply?

They are fiber. Quite delicate during assembly, and you have to take care. Once assembled, it's tough as nails!
 
Jim,
There are only two low power BT80 cones readily available that I know of, and I'd love to see a stock Conical or Parabolic design. Pictures of Deuce, Red Max and Goblin upscales dance in my mind. The buying power of Fliskits will bring the price down! I love the BT80 and can't wait to see what you guys do with them.
Maybe a BT80 Deuce could be the first BT80 release!
 
Cool... Your cluster kits are getting bigger :). Do you think soon we will see clustered 29's, 38's, 54', 75's, 98's, 150's... ;) :D :p

(Of course this is a joke... but Jim... it *could* encourage upscales.... and they would have to buy a kit to get dimentions ;))
 
Originally posted by n3tjm
Cool... Your cluster kits are getting bigger :). Do you think soon we will see clustered 29's, 38's, 54', 75's, 98's, 150's... ;) :D :p

(Of course this is a joke... but Jim... it *could* encourage upscales.... and they would have to buy a kit to get dimentions ;))

Doug, I think Jim has enough product entanglements as is to drive wives nuts with their husband rocketeers. Please don't encourage him anymore! "You know honey, I *need* those tubes and nosecones to go with all those new cluster mounts!" :eek: :D
 
Originally posted by eugenefl
"You know honey, I *need* those tubes and nosecones to go with all those new cluster mounts!" :eek: :D

I used the opposite of this statement this morning:
I said, "You know honey, I *neeeeeed* those cluster mounts to go with all my tubes and nose cones." :D

But yes, it would be nice if Fliskits offered a nice parabolic balsa NC80.

Tim
 
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