First Upscale attempt: Quest Force 5

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dragon_rider10 said:
Finished! Completed the swing test with the three D's Saturday. CG was right on the red line forward of the fins. First time was not successful. Added a bit of nose weight and tried again. Success! CG moved forward about 2". Trimmed, detailed, weathered and clearcoated. Ready for August NEFAR Launch!

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Test fit to ensure standard Q2G2 will be long enough!
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Sweet! The Quest Force 5 is a great looking rocket, I just hope your version flies better than the original. Great job on the hand drawn details.
 
John,
That's got to be your best work so far!
Really sharp with great detailing.
Looks like the trim Monokote worked well for you.

I'll be there to see it fly at NEFAR!
 
Marlin523 said:
Really nice build. I hope you will post the flight results.
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Here's a quick and dirty rocksim i put together on this thing. I'm not sure how to get the wings to attach at the correct points (ie slightly above centerline on the main body tube. Seems to do OK. it's not exact, but it gets me where i'm going, i think. Any input would be welcome.

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Guys, thanks for all of the support and the kind words. I can't believe how excited/nervous I am about flying this thing.
 
Just have to say ,the rocket turned out fantastic :cheers:
I know how you feel about being nervous, I would be also ,such a beautiful build.
I really like the way you added all the panel lines and weathering ,very nice touch and adds some realism to the craft (an old modelers trick no doubt ;))

Best of luck on your first flight !!

Paul T
 
WOW Roger!!!!!

What an incredible photo! It looked good there for a second!

Good grief could I have looked any goofier in that first one?
 
Pantherjon said:
I take it it was a successful flight, even though only 2 motors lit? The detailing sure turned out looking nice John!;)

And what's up here?
https://www.payloadbay.com/gallery/v/nefar-launches/2010-08-14/2010-08-14-12-09-00007.jpg.html
Central motor not lighting? Do I have to come down there and show yous guys in NEFAR how to wire up clusters?:p:roll:
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Well, i thought I had posted a long post about how this was NOT a successful flight, with fun photos and smilies and the whole bit. I must not have hit the submit button. Will follow with details soon. It's already 95% repaired and ready to go again.

Pantherjon, you'd be welcome in Bunnel anytime, just dont expect any high-profile photo ops.
 
Ok so here's what happened. I believe the igniter fell out of the engine prior to the countdown. I had some difficulty securing the q2g2 igniters in the D engines with the red straws. This problem did not present itself in my test, since that test was not conducted with the rocket in the vertical. I also had difficulty securing it at a good height on the rail. I needed some sort of stand off. A C-Clamp would have been perfect. Adding it to the range box.

There was an off chance that the rocket was bumped by some small children (3 -4 yrs) who were being escorted around the launch pads by their mother. She shouldn't have been there, but i don't know if anyone told her that it wasn't the best idea. I overheard her say that mine was their 'favorite'.

Anyway, two engines fired and it did a series of rolls. Without full thrust, it only got up to about 100 ft, then arced over. Luckily the ejection fired about 40 feet up, but the chute snagged somehow and didn't help the descent much. The left wing snapped in half, and the winglet popped off at the seam.

Here's the result:
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As i mentioned, I've got the rocket back together, it will fly again in September.
 
dragon_rider10 said:
Anyway, two engines fired and it did a series of rolls. Without full thrust, it only got up to about 100 ft, then arced over. Luckily the ejection fired about 40 feet up, but the chute snagged somehow and didn't help the descent much. The left wing snapped in half, and the winglet popped off at the seam.
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It was actually a nice flight. It took off slowly, but was completely stable. The roll was very slow and graceful. And the ejection charge was only a little late. Although the parachute tangled, it looked as if the rocket went horizontal just before landing. So, we were surprised to see it damaged when you recovered it. I'm glad it was repairable.

-- Roger
 
jadebox said:
It was actually a nice flight. It took off slowly, but was completely stable. The roll was very slow and graceful. And the ejection charge was only a little late. Although the parachute tangled, it looked as if the rocket went horizontal just before landing. So, we were surprised to see it damaged when you recovered it. I'm glad it was repairable.

-- Roger
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I used really lightweight balsa on the wings, so I knew they couldn't take any kind of impact. Looking at the damage, the brunt of the impact was on the winglet, which snapped and twisted the main wing.

I'm looking forward to seeing the video to see if I can learn anything more.
 
dragon_rider10 said:
Ok so here's what happened. I believe the igniter fell out of the engine prior to the countdown. I had some difficulty securing the q2g2 igniters in the D engines with the red straws. This problem did not present itself in my test, since that test was not conducted with the rocket in the vertical. I also had difficulty securing it at a good height on the rail. I needed some sort of stand off. A C-Clamp would have been perfect. Adding it to the range box.

There was an off chance that the rocket was bumped by some small children (3 -4 yrs) who were being escorted around the launch pads by their mother. She shouldn't have been there, but i don't know if anyone told her that it wasn't the best idea. I overheard her say that mine was their 'favorite'.

Anyway, two engines fired and it did a series of rolls. Without full thrust, it only got up to about 100 ft, then arced over. Luckily the ejection fired about 40 feet up, but the chute snagged somehow and didn't help the descent much. The left wing snapped in half, and the winglet popped off at the seam.

Here's the result:
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As i mentioned, I've got the rocket back together, it will fly again in September.
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Bummer! Looks repairable.

I flew my 13mm Deuce this weekend using Q2G2 ignitors, but I did not use the straws I just taped them in with a little masking tape both lit.
 
The video from the flight is up at the NEFAR site. Jimmy wasn't sure about my engines, so he has it listed as 3 Es, but it was 3 Ds. I've got her fixed, just have to work on the cosmetic stuff tonight. Hopefully we'll have better luck tomorrow. I will try with the cluster again. Also considering a single e20-4w. For some reason, there's no listing in RockSim for the motor so I'm having to rely on the data from an E15. Any input?

https://www.nefar.net/gallery/2010-08/Upscale-Force-5-3-Emotors-John-Bishop-NTSC.wmv
 
Are you sure that wasn't the E30-4? I might have one in my box. They're sold in 3-packs.
 
I've studied both the regular and the HD video from my launch. I'm not seeing any thing to back up my theory about an igniter falling out prior to ignition. Maybe I do need PantherJon's wiring course.

My method for wiring these three Q2G2 igniters was this: Mark one lead from each igniter as 'positive'. Twist 'positive' leads together and twist 'negative' leads together. One clip on each bunch. Is this proper technique for a 3 engine cluster?
 
I won't be there tomorrow. Too much stuff going on. I work the weekend we launch in October. Next time I could launch would be November for the Blast. My 3x Javelin will be ready then.
 
dragon_rider10 said:
I've studied both the regular and the HD video from my launch. I'm not seeing any thing to back up my theory about an igniter falling out prior to ignition. Maybe I do need PantherJon's wiring course.

My method for wiring these three Q2G2 igniters was this: Mark one lead from each igniter as 'positive'. Twist 'positive' leads together and twist 'negative' leads together. One clip on each bunch. Is this proper technique for a 3 engine cluster?
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Sounds like the right technique..When I fly my 6 motor Trois Duex I put extensions on the ignitor leads...
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I must have done something right because I got all three to light yesterday. Didn't have my camera, so i've got to be patient for the guys from NEFAR to get some photos and vid on the site. Lots of great flights yesterday, including my first composite- my Rubicon on one of those E20s. I'm hooked!
 
Nicely done John! :) Glad you were able to get all 3 to light for ya!

Uh-oh!:eek: Another AP addict in making!:roll: Ain't composite motors just cool?:cool:
 

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