# Estes/NCR SA 14 Archer plans

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#### tjgray693599

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I am looking for the plans for the Estes/NCR SA 14 Archer, NCR# 3510. I am a bit confused on what I have seen on the web, with regards to the SA 14 Archer and the SA 14 Archer XL and which is which. Does someone know the difference?

#### kuririn

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Don't think you will find plans posted online since that kit is still in production.

#### tjgray693599

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The old SA 14 archer has a 4" body tube and the current one has a 2.6".

#### kuririn

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Old Archer XL kit was 2.6" also.

#### kuririn

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Contact Matt Steele at NCR.
I doubt that you'll get the plans but maybe you'll get an explanation of the difference between the Archer and Archer XL.
Worth a shot.

#### tjgray693599

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I think that link is for the current kit.

The 1996 NCR catalog shows it has a 4" tube. I think the one I am looking at is from that time.

#### Flash

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OK Boss, here is some items to chew on that might help with the 4" Archer 14 by Estes which was around 57.8" Long as compared to the very old pre-estes model by NCR that may have been the 62" normally referred to, even by NCR Estes. I included a copy of the NCR Estes data sheet that shows the rocket was 57.8" long and not 62" when made under NCR Estes. I don't have the measurements for the decal sheets, you may be able to work this out or just get with Sticker Shock

If you have Rocsim, I included to files, one from online and one I worked up some time ago. I can tell you that the forward fins are made from 1/4" balsa.

I'm not a expert on this model but I don't believe the newer 2.6" Archer 14 is a true down scale of the 4" model.

Hope this helps!

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#### tjgray693599

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Thank you - I'm looking at a NCR 3510 SA 14 Archer kit that doesn't have the instructions. I can figure out how the centering rings are placed, but I don't think the balsa fin stock is die-cut, so I would need the template for those.

#### jonnywanabe

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Thank you - I'm looking at a NCR 3510 SA 14 Archer kit that doesn't have the instructions. I can figure out how the centering rings are placed, but I don't think the balsa fin stock is die-cut, so I would need the template for those.
Hi,
I have an NCR 3510 in a box in my build pile. I can try to scan the instructions and get them to you.
I will be in touch once I can get the plans out and try to scan them.
Cheers,
Jon

#### tjgray693599

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That sounds great. No rush, my build pile is getting a bit high myself.

Thank you.

#### Flash

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I was told that the upper fins are cut 1” back from the edge on each end. 15" x 17" x 2" x 1/4 Balsa on the Estes NCR model

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#### jonnywanabe

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Here is the instruction book. Hope it helps.

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#### tjgray693599

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Thank you. I see how to cut them.

#### tjgray693599

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I was told that the upper fins are cut 1” back from the edge on each end.
Now I get what you were saying. I can see that in the drawing.

Thank you.

#### jonnywanabe

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Thank you. I see how to cut them.
You're welcome.
Now that I have dug the box out and looked at the instructions, I am eager to get started on this beast.

#### Flash

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Happy Build!!!
I'm working on a 3" clone of the 4" Estes Kit using the thin wall light weight tubing.

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#### tjgray693599

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Well, thanks for not rubbing it in

#### thzero

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Ah, this was a a great find.. considering I just obtained, through raffle, a NCR SA-14 in unopened box.

OK Boss, here is some items to chew on that might help with the 4" Archer 14 by Estes which was around 57.8" Long as compared to the very old pre-estes model by NCR that may have been the 62" normally referred to, even by NCR Estes. I included a copy of the NCR Estes data sheet that shows the rocket was 57.8" long and not 62" when made under NCR Estes. I don't have the measurements for the decal sheets, you may be able to work this out or just get with Sticker Shock

If you have Rocsim, I included to files, one from online and one I worked up some time ago. I can tell you that the forward fins are made from 1/4" balsa.

I'm not a expert on this model but I don't believe the newer 2.6" Archer 14 is a true down scale of the 4" model.

Hope this helps!

#### tjgray693599

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Ah, this was a a great find.. considering I just obtained, through raffle, a NCR SA-14 in unopened box.
Seriously, who has those kinds of raffles??? Holy smokes!

#### Nytrunner

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Seriously, who has those kinds of raffles??? Holy smokes!
Generous club members who realize they have accumulated more rockets than they can build in their lifetime

#### thzero

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Generous club members who realize they have accumulated more rockets than they can build in their lifetime
Yup...

#### tjgray693599

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Shipping was \$34 to WV
I picked one up on EBay and paid a fortune for it. I can't wait for it to get here.