# Estes Magician...

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Only found 2 people here with one. Decent bird? Seems really light, 100 grams for a BT-55 x 33.5" tall rocket? They reccomend a D12-5 for first flight, and an E9-6. Thats gotta boogy! They claim 1600'...

Does nobody have one here because its a 'new' model, or has it got issues? (Or is it because you don't want to admit to owning an Estes )

Anybody stuff a AT 24-40 RMS in one, or would that be a bad idea...:dark: (I'm thinking some tube from Wildman to fatten it up a bit, maybe some TTW ply fins...:confused2

Thanks,

P.S., I didn't find anything on EMRR about it either...

#### dragon_rider10

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Don't have one yet, but not for any of the above reasons. I think it looks like a pretty cool looking rocket.

#### o1d_dude

##### 'I battle gravity'
[EDIT] NOTE: The following information refers to the PHOENIX BIRD and not the MAGICIAN! I'm old and easily confused. [/EDIT]

I have one of the new ones and there are issues with the instructions.

1. Don't follow the instructions on assembling the motor mount as the measurements are incorrect. You will need to determine the correct measurements yourself as this bird has TTW fins.

2. The instructions may also lead you to believe you should mount the fins before inserting the motor mount. With TTW fins, you're gonna have a problem if you try it to do it that way.

I caught #2 right away but didn't catch #1 until I'd already assembled the motor mount but before I glued it into the body tube. Estes was kind enough to send me a new kit when I pointed out the error, so I just used the motor mount from that one. I'd have settled for a motor mount from one of their parts assortments.

It looks like the instructions were from the original kit and weren't properly updated to accomodate the TTW fins.

I haven't flown it yet (fire season here in Cali) but 1600 feet on BP is pretty high. OTOH, maybe an E18 or E28 might be interesting...

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#### Donaldsrockets

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Mine must have been one of the very first ones produced as it did not have TTW fins.

There were no issues with the instructions or construction with my kit. Everything went together exactly as intended.

One reason why quite a few people here don't have one is that it flies so high and they don't have a field large enough to launch a rocket like this. However, you could make an 18mm adaptor out of a spent 24mm C11 or D12 motor but be sure to use the included orange spacer in this instance.

I'm sure this rocket would fly more than adequately on a B6-4 or C6-5. Also, a 24mm C11-5 would work great too if you either have any or find someone willing to part with one as they went OOP a few years ago.

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#### Handeman

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I don't have the Magician, but I had a Stormcaster. The Stormcaster is lighter, 80g but larger diameter, 1.64" vs 1.33".

I routinely flew the Stormcaster on composite motors. The only thing I did extra was thinned wood glue and printer paper on the fins. It flew on F39T and F24W motors all the time. The only damage was from and Estes dent.

I made the mistake of putting it into orbit on an partly cloudy day on a F24W. It went up, was lost among the clear sky and clouds, and was never seen or heard from again.

I figure it has to be in orbit, right? That's my excuse an I'm sticking to it!

Other then paper coating the fins, I doubt you need to do anything extra to the Magician so it will handle the biggest Aerotech 24mm composite motors. It might be a slightly different issue with the Pro24 6g G motors. Then again, I suspect it will handle the up part just fine, it's the landings with the heavier motors that will probably be an issue.