what kind of discounts are they having. I'm on their page now and don't see any changes in price? Is it just certain kits? Never mind I went under the Black Friday link. It looks like 25% off. 25% is okay but that's about it. To me its not enough off to even consider buying anything. The way I look at it, after tax and shipping there's not much of a discount left. Yes it is cheaper than retail, but again not enough to get me to buy anything. Its the same with Madcow. Everything is 25% off. With their discount it just means you are buying the kits at the retail price that was maybe 3-4 years ago. I guess that's one way to look it. So why bother? Right? If it was 35-50-% like WM then yeah we are talking now about some real savings.