# Estes 2022 catalog

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#### BEC

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Motors...

Hmmmmmmm….something’s not right here. First of all, we’ve been told for years there’s not enough room in the case for a six-second delay with today’s black powder formulation. Second, the -2, -4 and -6 can’t all weigh exactly the same. Third….all three are listed as single stage motors and with the same max liftoff weight.

Not all of these things can be correct.

I hope the Star Orbiter fins bit in the catalog is just an artwork error rather than a redesign of the Star Orbiter into a Vapor (fins and motor mount changes).

The Athena has been illogically cheaper than an Alpha III ever since the Athena debuted (something like 12 years or so ago, I think).

#### Scott_650

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Hmmmmmmm….something’s not right here. First of all, we’ve been told for years there’s not enough room in the case for a six-second delay with today’s black powder formulation. Second, the -2, -4 and -6 can’t all weigh exactly the same. Third….all three are listed as single stage motors and with the same max liftoff weight.

Not all of these things can be correct.

I hope the Star Orbiter fins bit in the catalog is just an artwork error rather than a redesign of the Star Orbiter into a Vapor (fins and motor mount changes).
Good topics for someone from Estes to answer - maybe during vNARCON?

#### Cape Byron

##### The BAR formerly known as Skippy-2
B.O.S.S. is screaming, “Greeble Me!”

#### Scott_650

##### Well-Known Member
B.O.S.S. is screaming, “Greeble Me!”
And with the new Enerjet 24mm motors all that extra drag would be no tribble at’all

#### BEC

##### Well-Known Member
Good topics for someone from Estes to answer - maybe during vNARCON?
Yeah….which reminds me I need to get back to working on my presentation for vNARCON instead of prowling forums and looking at the new catalog….

#### Initiator001

##### Well-Known Member
Hmmmmmmm….something’s not right here. First of all, we’ve been told for years there’s not enough room in the case for a six-second delay with today’s black powder formulation. Second, the -2, -4 and -6 can’t all weigh exactly the same. Third….all three are listed as single stage motors and with the same max liftoff weight.

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Not all of these things can be correct.

I hope the Star Orbiter fins bit in the catalog is just an artwork error rather than a redesign of the Star Orbiter into a Vapor (fins and motor mount changes).

The Athena has been illogically cheaper than an Alpha III ever since the Athena debuted (something like 12 years or so ago, I think).
This may have something to do with Estes providing motors for the Internats held in Texas next year.

#### Bruiser

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Nothing really grabbed my attention. No new Pro Series unless the Star Orbiter with the wrong fins is new

-Bob

#### BEC

##### Well-Known Member
This may have something to do with Estes providing motors for the Internats held in Texas next year.
That thought crossed my mind….

#### Cape Byron

##### The BAR formerly known as Skippy-2
So, is the Nike Smoke officially OOP?

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#### Bravo52

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Just got a chance to peruse the 2022 catalogue and damn...there are a few I need. Yes, need. BOSS and SOT for starters and I'll and the Mars Longship and Citation Patriot because.

#### kyle

##### Space: mostly nothing, partially stars
Apparently, not knowing about the Vapor, I'm the only person who thought the "new" fins on the Star Orbitor looked better...

#### TigerHawk

##### Reliving the good ole days
$35 list price Should make it$21 at ac supply hopefully. Looking forward to it.

#### Scott_650

##### Well-Known Member
Apparently, not knowing about the Vapor, I'm the only person who thought the "new" fins on the Star Orbitor looked better...
I’m agnostic about the shape as long as the SO keeps it’s tabs for TTW construction.

#### TigerHawk

##### Reliving the good ole days
I’m agnostic about the shape as long as the SO keeps it’s tabs for TTW construction.
Star Vapor

#### TigerHawk

##### Reliving the good ole days
Nothing really grabbed my attention. No new Pro Series unless the Star Orbiter with the wrong fins is new

-Bob
PSII Star Vapor

#### Halvey

##### Active Member
Just picked up the Nasa SLS model,,for the desk. Don't think I will every fly it, but it's a very nice static display with pretty good detail.

#### Bruiser

##### Well-Known Member
I actually built a 29mm Vapor using the motor mount and rings from a Star Orbiter kit. It needed bigger fins or more nose weight. I went half and half with both. After the lower tube had a blow out on the first flight I rebuilt it and just stuck with the 24mm mount and "stock" size fins. There wasn't much a difference really between the 24mm E12 and a 29mm F15 and E12s are easy to come by.

Anyway, point is that if those fins are not some type of "typo" I hope they made them larger.

-Bob

#### Quixote

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Nice to see the A3-2T and A3-6T return, waiting hopefully for the C5-0. The new up-sized Orbital Transport should be a popular build.

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When is the Estes 2022 catalog coming out?
Thanks for posting these fella's. I just ordered a hardcopy. Pretty cool that in this day & age a company will ship you a free catalog.

#### Scott_650

##### Well-Known Member
I actually built a 29mm Vapor using the motor mount and rings from a Star Orbiter kit. It needed bigger fins or more nose weight. I went half and half with both. After the lower tube had a blow out on the first flight I rebuilt it and just stuck with the 24mm mount and "stock" size fins. There wasn't much a difference really between the 24mm E12 and a 29mm F15 and E12s are easy to come by.

Anyway, point is that if those fins are not some type of "typo" I hope they made them larger.

-Bob
John Boren commented on the catalog thread over at YORF - there has been no changes to the Star Orbiter. Evidently whomever did the image composition for the 2022 catalog shot of the SO made a mistake.

#### dbrent

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Looking forward to the B.O.S.S. Loving the whole Designer's signature editions.

#### Huxter

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Somebody has to post a pic of the B.O.S.S. ! Way cool/unique set of fins!

#### ZeroCooL

##### Active Member
I got mine in the mail yesterday and it even came with a 20% off coupon. I guess it's time to get Boosted Bertha!

#### TigerHawk

##### Reliving the good ole days
I got mine in the mail yesterday and it even came with a 20% off coupon. I guess it's time to get Boosted Bertha!
Estes Cyber Monday sale they sold the boosted Bertha for $10.49 and the red nova for$7.70, plus all kinds of other great deals. Picked up several things then.

#### mikewrt

##### 26 hour/day parent
New catalog just came in the mail! Off to the couch I go!

#### kuririn

##### BARGeezer
B.O.S.S. is screaming, “Greeble Me!”
Engine nacelles on the pods for sure.
NCC-xxxx decal.
Starfleet logo decal.
Maybe interior LED lighting?

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#### TigerHawk

##### Reliving the good ole days
Engine nacelles on the pods for sure.
NCC-xxxx decal.
Starfleet logo decal.
Maybe interior LED lighting?
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I take it that the upper tube is BT-55 and the lower tubes are BT-50?

##### Live to Build . . . . . . Build to Live
Engine nacelles on the pods for sure.
NCC-xxxx decal.
Starfleet logo decal.
Maybe interior LED lighting?
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Kind of looks like the USS Enterprise got speared....

So I'm assuming it's a single motor design... Looks like an excellent candidate for a 3 motor cluster.

You cut out the coolest part of the page... I want one just because Bill Simon designed it.. retro cool.