E6 plugged reloads

[O2jmpr]

Hi all!

I'm an LPR fan, mostly cardstock and Estes stuff and an old hand at R\C. I'd like to branch out to Dynasoar kits but am struggling to find info regarding reloads. I just want know if I can create a KNSB load to emulate an E6 plugged reload for use in AT 24 20-40 plugged cases or the EMK single use cases. I won't go down this path at over $10.00 a pop for a less than 1 minute flight using AT purchased grains.

Somewhere between Nakka/Jamesyawn etc is a disconnect between very detailed info and "here's how you do it", if that makes sense. I can find formulas and safety info but nothing regarding what parts to purchase to create grains for " X" load to fit "Y" case.

Super appreciate any advice, even if its nothing more than "yes, its possible".

 

[SolarYellow]

It sounds like you're wanting to discuss "experimental/research" motors. Detailed discussion of that occurs in its own specific subforum, and you have to be L2 certified to read any of the material there.

https://www.rocketryforum.com/forums/restricted-research.66/

AT also requires you (as do responsible resellers) to be L2 certified to purchase grains.

 

[O2jmpr]

It sounds like you're wanting to discuss "experimental/research" motors. Detailed discussion of that occurs in its own specific subforum, and you have to be L2 certified to read any of the material there.

https://www.rocketryforum.com/forums/restricted-research.66/

AT also requires you (as do responsible resellers) to be L2 certified to purchase grains.

The hunt continues. Thanks anyway!

 

[burkefj]

What do you fly in your mid power models now?

 

[O2jmpr]

What do you fly in your mid power models now?

Oh wow! The man himself!

I haven’t flown anything midpower before. I’m just enthralled with your models and researching the possibility of my own reloads for the case you suggest. I read on your site not to use off the shelf motors due to failure rates and destroying the model. Prior to that I considered epoxy plugging an Estes E12 but also considered a 12 might too stressful on the airframe.

I’m not normally such a tight-wad, but I know me and if I get a dynasoar I’ll want to fly many times In a row and bankrupt us. Plus, I’d enjoy the more hands-on approach to the hobby. I always make my own igniters and wadding now just to fiddle with stuff.

Thanks for replying.

 

[burkefj]

Oh wow! The man himself!

I haven’t flown anything midpower before. I’m just enthralled with your models and researching the possibility of my own reloads for the case you suggest. I read on your site not to use off the shelf motors due to failure rates and destroying the model. Prior to that I considered epoxy plugging an Estes E12 but also considered a 12 might too stressful on the airframe.

I’m not normally such a tight-wad, but I know me and if I get a dynasoar I’ll want to fly many times In a row and bankrupt us. Plus, I’d enjoy the more hands-on approach to the hobby. I always make my own igniters and wadding now just to fiddle with stuff.

Thanks for replying.

Yes it is addictive, I always ask when these questions come up necause a plugged E-12 is about the same price as a reload now and they aren't a full E. In any case just watch weight, they are designed for a 53 gram motor so you may need a lot more nose weight and increase your glide weight depending on what u come up with. I do have some single use that are the same cost as a reload, if you wanted to try then transition to home made, i dont know anyone doing hand made for the rc case, usually people wanting cheap go pvc and sugar but those are telatively heavy and faster burning. Most going composite are doing bigger motors for cost savings.

 

[O2jmpr]

Yes it is addictive, I always ask when these questions come up necause a plugged E-12 is about the same price as a reload now and they arent a full E. In any case just watch weight, they are designed for a 53 gram motor so you may need a lor more weight and increase glide weight deoending on what u come up with. I do have some single use that are the same cost as a reload, if you wanted to try then transition to home made, i dont know anyone doing hand made for the rc case.

Some concessions are due on my part it seems.
I understand and respect your knowledge and very much appreciate the direct input from the source! Thanks for your work and contribution to the sport.

 

[burkefj]

Some concessions are due on my part it seems.
I understand and respect your knowledge and very much appreciate the direct input from the source! Thanks for your work and contribution to the sport.

I appreciate that, my main thing is I want people to have success, which means they have fun and want to keep doing it, I see a lot of youtube rocketplane failures and not many successes it's good for clicks but not much else...

 

[shockie]

It sounds like you're wanting to discuss "experimental/research" motors. Detailed discussion of that occurs in its own specific subforum, and you have to be L2 certified to read any of the material there.

https://www.rocketryforum.com/forums/restricted-research.66/

AT also requires you (as do responsible resellers) to be L2 certified to purchase grains.

And I'll say it again:

Why do I have to have a High Power L2 license to create A size sugar motors. Or to even talk about them
Is it because the TRA requires an L2 to do research rocketry? Do they? Or is it basically to keep out kids and foreigners, ITAR, or is it to CYA so you won't be sued ?

Hi all!

I'm an LPR fan, mostly cardstock and Estes stuff and an old hand at R\C. I'd like to branch out to Dynasoar kits but am struggling to find info regarding reloads. I just want know if I can create a KNSB load to emulate an E6 plugged reload for use in AT 24 20-40 plugged cases or the EMK single use cases. I won't go down this path at over $10.00 a pop for a less than 1 minute flight using AT purchased grains.

Somewhere between Nakka/Jamesyawn etc is a disconnect between very detailed info and "here's how you do it", if that makes sense. I can find formulas and safety info but nothing regarding what parts to purchase to create grains for " X" load to fit "Y" case.

Super appreciate any advice, even if its nothing more than "yes, its possible".

You're on the right track concerning using reload cases or the RCS Ex SU casings/nozzle.
That's what I recommend to everybody to use or NEPT pyro tubes from Woody's over on r/Rocketry on Reddit.

 

[SolarYellow]

The rules regarding what can be discussed here are forum rules, not mine.

 

[cls]

Why do I have to have a High Power L2 license to create A size sugar motors.

That's the national rule. NFPA... pop quiz, which one? You know this.