If so, can they be used for both black powder and AP?
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If you mean the orange wires with red chip end ematches, then yes they do. I turned to them for clusters when my supply of Q2G2s ran out. I tape them to the motor as they do not fit up inside. They make up for that deficiency by producing a lot more fire than the traditional bp motor igniters.If so, can they be used for both black powder and AP?
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AP or BP motors?Yep. I used the orange e-matches to light three Estes E and F motors last month. They work great.
This would be my main concern as well- would cause a CATO for sure. The chips are also rectangular, so just because it clears the throat when you insert it may mean it lodges at an angle upon ignition. I haven't yet compared them side by side with a CTI starter though, so will take a look tonight.I have also heard tell of them lighting small AP motors, but I believe you have to be careful about nozzle size as the chip at the ematch end does not get consumed, and could block the nozzle.
I have used them successfully to light CTi, Aerotech, Kosdon, Loki, and research motors up to a 75-7600 load. for the larger ones, ie. 75mm, I have twisted two ignitors together.They work with many CTI HPR motors, due to the Pyrodex pellet at the top of the grains. I do not believe they will light raw APCP. Black powder = yes.
Yes LW..... I use them on E'D's will fit into nozzle. On C's fit entrance, the match throw fire/sparks enough to go up nozzle. Use them on A's & B's also requires good placement & tape. I'm sure they will light the new F's, just haven't done it yet. I'll give some to Gary to hand off to you to try & see if ya like.If so, can they be used for both black powder and AP?
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Using them bare ...or adding some dipped pyrogen?I have used them successfully to light CTi, Aerotech, Kosdon, Loki, and research motors up to a 75-7600 load. for the larger ones, ie. 75mm, I have twisted two ignitors together.
I buy from eBay as well.
You can do that front and personal Jim. He'll be there this time.Yes LW..... I use them on E'D's will fit into nozzle. On C's fit entrance, the match throw fire/sparks enough to go up nozzle. Use them on A's & B's also requires good placement & tape. I'm sure they will light the new F's, just haven't done it yet. I'll give some to Gary to hand off to you to try & see if ya like.
I have tried dipping them as well. Mine had a tendency to "pop" right before the pyrogen ignites. Now i just assemble reloads with a pyrodex pellet in the top grain and use the e-match to start the pellet. This has failed only once for me (on a very old H268 redline). I find the redline to be the most stubborn to light when the grains are oxidized.They can light some AP [Blue Thunder] plain as they come, but require the addition of a "dip" such as Nitrocellulose/BP mixture to light most AP motors. They sure make BP motor ignition a snap, I use the ones with 12 inch leads super great for clusters.
https://www.atf.gov/explosives/docs...ves-laws-and-regulations-atf-p-54007/downloadIf so, can they be used for both black powder and AP?
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The large 29 mm BP motors. I just jammed the match head into the nozzle. We had some battery issues at the MPR pad at our launch last month so regular igniters and even the Estes sonic igniters weren't working. The e-matches lit flawlessly.AP or BP motors?
Thanks, I thought so. The AP motors are a bit harder to light but propellants easy to light like Blue Thunder have been lit with ematches on occasion.The large 29 mm BP motors. I just jammed the match head into the nozzle. We had some battery issues at the MPR pad at our launch last month so regular igniters and even the Estes sonic igniters weren't working. The e-matches lit flawlessly.
As is straight from the box marked "wires"Using them bare ...or adding some dipped pyrogen?
So does black powder. He didn't ask if it was legal. :wink:https://www.atf.gov/explosives/docs...ves-laws-and-regulations-atf-p-54007/download
see page 103, under letter i. These require an ATF explosives license.
Most people don't know that they aren't legal as the sellers often say they are legal... then ship them illegally as well.So does black powder. He didn't ask if it was legal. :wink:
Both are e-matches, Firewires are legal without a LEUP.How about MJG Firewire, they look similar just different color... Are they the same?
I think if they catch them in customs, they'll have cause...is it worth testing? They have shown up at launches before as well.As for the legality, BATFE would need probable cause to get a warrant to search your garage. Use them appropriately in rockets at the range and you will never hear from them.
Jim,Yes LW..... I use them on E'D's will fit into nozzle. On C's fit entrance, the match throw fire/sparks enough to go up nozzle. Use them on A's & B's also requires good placement & tape. I'm sure they will light the new F's, just haven't done it yet.
https://www.atf.gov/explosives/docs...ves-laws-and-regulations-atf-p-54007/download
see page 103, under letter i. These require an ATF explosives license.
It says excluding ammonium perchlorate composite propellant. Not that it matters. Amazon likely pulled them at the Atf request. You'd better believe they care...it's their job to. I've asked my agent about it in the past. I know other suppliers have also asked Atf about it. I deal with Atf on them, and they used to count mine, down to the exact number.So does this stuff, according to page 102, "A" of your document:
"ammonium perchlorate composite propellant (APCP))."
The igniter argument gets more ridiculous every time it is resurrected. I wouldn't be surprised if some TRF member united front intervention via multiple complaints were responsible for the sudden absence of igniters on Amazon.
As said, they are available on Ebay. Buy em up before some Johnny Law TRF'er front has them removed from there as well.
The average citizen commits 3 felonies a day without knowledge of the crimes. You can't walk down a sidewalk without breaking the law. You're as likely to get busted using these igniters as you are any of the other felonies you didn't know you commited every day. Ffs, no one cares. Not even the ATF.
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Citation needed.It says excluding ammonium perchlorate composite propellant. Not that it matters. Amazon likely pulled them at the Atf request. You'd better believe they care...it's their job to. I've asked my agent about it in the past. I know other suppliers have also asked Atf about it. I deal with Atf on them, and they used to count mine, down to the exact number.
Read the book, same section you referred to. Watch for parentheses as not every line is on its on. I'm not replying about this with you anymore, as it's not a pissing contest. I'm not trying to start an argument, just point out the truth. Everyone here can choose to be legal with them or not. I don't care, just don't see why I would use them when FireWire are legal and available easily.Citation needed.