Diver may have found 'lost nuke' missing since cold war off Canada coast

[Winston]

Diver may have found 'lost nuke' missing since cold war off Canada coast

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/04/canada-lost-nuke-found-cold-war-bomb

"The US military said the lost bomb was a dummy capsule – packed with lead rather than the plutonium core needed for an atomic explosion."

Apparently not exactly a complete "dummy," more like a Mk4 whose plutonium pit had not been inserted. Thus, it was a dummy with respect to its nuclear capabilities:

1950 British Columbia B-36 crash

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950_British_Columbia_B-36_crash

The plane carried a Mark IV atomic bomb, containing a substantial quantity of natural uranium and 5,000 pounds (2,300 kg) of conventional explosives. According to the USAF, the bomb did not contain the plutonium core necessary for a nuclear detonation.

 

[Mushtang]

There's one off the coast of Georgia too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Tybee_Island_mid-air_collision

 

[Lowpuller]

Canadian divers finding nukes is not a new hoax, even referenced in one of the links above.

https://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/warhead.asp

 

[MaxQ]

Divers...recovering lost nukes...in the ocean?
Somehow....this comes to mind:

[video=youtube;sT0x7QiJI1g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT0x7QiJI1g[/video]

 

[TopRamen]

There are all sorts of interesting Nuclear Weapons all over the place. A single one being found and documented is neat I guess.
There are even places you can just go grab this stuff for free if you have the right salvage equipment.
you can't make it do much but kill you, so you are pretty desperate to mess with it.
In Russia, they use the heat from nuke stuff to power the transponders for aircraft guidance and whatnot, and polar/arctic crap.

 

[Winston]

Canadian divers finding nukes is not a new hoax, even referenced in one of the links above.

https://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/warhead.asp

The Snopes article was last updated 27 February 2015. The one I linked to above is a different one, not that it couldn't also be a hoax although it's from a more reliable, mainstream publication unlike the one which was discredited in the Snopes column.

 

[tab28682]

The Snopes article was last updated 27 February 2015. The one I linked to above is a different one, not that it couldn't also be a hoax although it's from a more reliable, mainstream publication unlike the one which was discredited in the Snopes column.

If it is a new version of the old hoax, CNN took the bait. Saw it there today.

Might be real this time.

 

[hornet driver]

Turns out to be just a piece of some kind of industrial equipment.

 

[ThirstyBarbarian]

Turns out to be just a piece of some kind of industrial equipment.

That's what "they" want you to believe...

 

[Winston]

Turns out to be just a piece of some kind of industrial equipment.

DARN! Well, there are others. I'm running out of fissile materials. It's getting near the point where I won't even be able to form a critical mass.

List of military nuclear accidents

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_nuclear_accidents

This one would be a fissile material gold mine:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Tybee_Island_mid-air_collision

There are conflicting claims over whether the still not found bomb despite much searching was fully armed or not. I think this confusion could be due to the fact that many bombs of that era had removable primary pits for safety. I don't know if this model did. Removing that primary pit would have safed the entire bomb. However, the second (thermonuclear) stage would NOT have been removable because there simply would be no need to do so once the much smaller primary pit was removed. Here's the problem with that:

"Unlike most modern thermonuclear bombs, the Mark 15 used a secondary which was primarily HEU" - HEU = Highly Enriched Uranium

Mark 15 nuclear bomb

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_15_nuclear_bomb

Because of that, I cannot believe they simply gave up trying to find it.

[video=youtube;vKo647E53BU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKo647E53BU&t=2440s[/video]

 

[dhbarr]

Wouldn't it make a tremendous amount of sense to recover your nuke in secret, tell no one, and listen carefully to your hydrophones?

 

[Dave A]

Off Topic But:
Did you know?
The day before Apollo 13 was to enter Earth atmosphere to splashdown safely, NASA gets a call from the AEC (Atomic Energy Commission) now known as the Dept of Energy.
Here's how it goes " Hello, yes we understand the Apollo spacecraft is about to splashdown, correct?"
"That is correct"
"And is the LEM still attached and set to burnup on re-entry"
"That is correct"
"Just so you know, there are Plutonium fuel cells in the base of the descent stage that were supposed to remain on the moon!"
"Oh my"
"Yeah, while you're at it (rewriting a year long flight program in just a few days) make sure that LEM (carrying plutonium in a cask that is designed to survive aborted launches) ends up in the deepest part of the Pacific Ocean"
"Ok, terrific!"
Although not weapons-grade it will keep the fish warm for a long time!
Paraphrasing from Jim Lovell's Book "Lost Moon" and OBTW my mother designed Plutonium fuel cells for missions like Voyager 1 and 2.

 

[Peartree]

Turns out to be just a piece of some kind of industrial equipment.

At least, that's what you'd want to tell everyone until the unarmed barge is back in Norfolk under guard.

 

[ThirstyBarbarian]

It wasn't the Mark IV nuke that was jettisoned when the USAF B-36 went down in the 50's. And it wasn't a UFO. It was an alien nuke that was jettisoned when a UFO went down in the 50's.

 

[Winston]

Wouldn't it make a tremendous amount of sense to recover your nuke in secret, tell no one, and listen carefully to your hydrophones?

I usually don't give governments that much credit based upon much reading of history especially considering how long ago the nuke was lost.

Magnetometer readings might be useful in finding it although I suspect that even back then they would have been able to use that tech. Ground penetrating radar might be useful although I don't know how much so in water.

Anyway, even though I believe the water is shallow in that area as I believw I recall from a video, if there are still fishermen fishing there as shown in the above documentary where they talk about snagged nets, if you aren't known in the area and can't do a convincing job of looking like you're fishing which you might not be able to do considering the wide areas you'd need to search, you'd raise some suspicion. An autonomous underwater search vehicle would be the only way to perhaps locate it without drawing attention, but then try to extract it without being noticed especially considering how deep it may be in the mud.

However, since most terrorists are complete morons, those difficulties might be why they just said, "Hell, leave it" after searching nine weeks. The fear of radioactive contamination is somewhat valid although I believe I've read somewhere that nuclear accident sites of all kinds are periodically checked for that.

Still, since the black market spot price for weapons grade U235 is apparently $10k per gram as found via a Google search...

Highly Enriched Uranium Has A Spot Price On The Black Market?

https://www.activistpost.com/2010/11/highly-enriched-uranium-has-spot-price.html

 

[Winston]

It wasn't the Mark IV nuke that was jettisoned when the USAF B-36 went down in the 50's. And it wasn't a UFO. It was an alien nuke that was jettisoned when a UFO went down in the 50's.

That was on their return visit after a UFO blew up Tunguska as actually claimed by a Russian "scientist." I believe another one claimed a UFO's reactor blew up or something.

SCIENTIST CLAIMS UFO COLLIDED WITH TUNGUSKA METEORITE TO SAVE EARTH

https://www.universetoday.com/31438...llided-with-tunguska-meteorite-to-save-earth/

 

[Winston]

At least, that's what you'd want to tell everyone until the unarmed barge is back in Norfolk under guard.

True...

 

[Winston]

This is really the pits:

https://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2012/08/29/forbidden-spheres/