# Decisions, decisions.....

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#### ActingLikeAKid

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So a couple of months ago, I started this thread where I said "OK, next big build, what should I get...?" and everyone had some good advice. I had it down to the Wildman Punisher LDRS special (which, duh. What a deal!) or the PML Small Endeavour (such a sharp-looking kit!)

My wife said as I was choosing, "DON'T GET BOTH. Father's day is coming up...."

So I got the Punisher.

...I was just informed that she held off because she's heard me looking at yet other rockets and doesn't want to get me something I no longer want. And now I'm trying to decide if the PML Small Endeavour is what I really want.

What have you built lately that was really cool?

Right now, I'm still considering the Small Endeavour. Also the PML Bumble Bee or MR-1.
Also the MAC 3FNC
Also the LOC Athena-3

Also ...well, the more I look, the more I think "Dang, ____ is COOL. Maybe I should get that!"

At this point I'd like to avoid true dual-deploy (for a number of reasons, including "I have a Chute Release that works" (which is why I say "true" DD - I think of the CR as "pseudo DD") and "I want to work on building simpler stuff before I make that leap" and "I want to build an Eggtimer to hone my electronics fabricating skills before I start building something that detonates black powder").

I'd like to challenge myself, but I'm not ready for, say, a TLP kit.

I have a CTI Pro29 3g case but I'm thinking I might jump up to 38mm for this.

Any thoughts about the models I listed? Any new "Oh, you have to build this!!!" recommendations?

Maybe I'll just give my wife a list and tell her to surprise me
(and I know it won't get delivered on Father's Day, I'm OK with that)

....regardless, it sure beats getting a tie!!!!

#### noffie79

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You know you just opened a huge can of worms, right?

#### ActingLikeAKid

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Yeah, probably. Something like going to a motorcycle forum and saying "HEY, WHAT'S A GOOD FIRST MOTORCYCLE?"

I thought by specifying non-dual-deploy, I'd limit the input.....

#### Bat-mite

##### Rocketeer in MD
Too many rockets, not enough time... (or money).

#### noffie79

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I wanted a "cool" rocket. I have 34, 15 are still in bags in the build pile. And I know, I know, there are some that have 5 times that many. Like Bat-mite said, too many rockets, not enough money or time. Lol

#### ActingLikeAKid

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(huh, wow. Noffie, that PAC-3 looks pretty cool.....)

#### noffie79

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(huh, wow. Noffie, that PAC-3 looks pretty cool.....)
Thanks! It comes stock with a 38mm MMT, but Mike at Madcow let me trade him for 54mm MMT and centering rings. That was my L2. And because of the split fins, it has a pretty damn sweet whistle.

#### 75Grandville

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I love my Wildman Jayhawk - 38mm MMT, looks great, with ~24 oz of nose weight it stays relatively low. Chute release would probably work well - I'm going to try a cable cutter on the salt flats (because I've already got 6 altimeters and 2 cable cutters)

I love the look of the 3D rocketry FS-2 3". You could build stock as a 29mm, or ask Bill to cut the fins for a 38mm MMT - that's my plan, at least. I just have a gazillion other rockets to finish (OK - 4 HPR LOC and a tub of LPR to repair), then another gazillion to start and finish, before I will let myself buy one of these.

Both ought to be a bit challenging, and neither will break the bank.

#### noffie79

I know that if I were to get another 29mm performance kit, I'd take a really hard look at the Madcow mini line. I got to see some kits in person and they were beautiful. A Mini Frenzy or Tomach would be a real trip on something like an I200W, but should also sport fly really well on smaller $12 29mm loads. Until then I actually need to finish my first 29mm performer, the same Punisher that you have. Another option would be to get one of those one size bigger with the 38mm mount and use a 29mm adapter, until you're ready to punch it with a 38mm. Last edited: #### dhbarr ##### Amateur Professional I love the BD stuff, but ... I'm leery about going to 38mm, and I've kind of written off anything 54mm. With Estes BP engines, I can have a fun morning of lots of flights for$20 or $30. With CTI 29mm, that's a flight, MAYBE two if I go with cheap single-grain loads. With 54mm, you're pushing$100 for *a* launch, and I just can't swing that.
Aerotech 29/40-120 and Loki 38/120 are pretty cost effective per flight ( and also gateway drugs ). No L1, no Hazmat.

#### dixontj93060

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Aerotech 29/40-120 and Loki 38/120 are pretty cost effective per flight ( and also gateway drugs ). No L1, no Hazmat.
+1.

#### MikeyDSlagle

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If I'm ever in the area, I'll look y'all up.
And that signature is perfect.
And its true! I can screw up anything if I put my mind to it. :bangpan:

Just because your rocket CAN fly on a 38mm doesn't mean it has to, and because you can now fly Level 1 motors doesn't mean you have to. My truck isn't always in 4 wheel drive and I rarely pump that third round into my shotgun. I would get annoyed because the bigger diameter rockets didn't have 29mm holes, but it makes more sense to put a bigger hole in there, it's more versatile. You can always adapt down, but not up. You can move the adapter from rocket to rocket.

You are already ahead of me actually, I have yet to get my L1. I simply didn't want to put an H in my Wildman and never see it again, or walk a mile to get it. But I am soon continue on my way into L1, first I have to decide NAR or TRA. I have a bird in the works just for that purpose and hope to fly it in the fall. The rocket I am building can be flown in single or dual deploy configurations, with or without the payload section, on 29mm G's all the way up to 38mm I's, and possibly a J, but that will be pushing the design as it sims at .88 Mach.

When it comes to prices, I am right there with ya. And I like to get more bang for my buck. Compare the prices on Aerotech 29/240 and 38/240 reloads. They are the same. You can build your rocket to handle the 38's and adapt down to 29's. That way when you get a little money stashed back and you have that perfect launch day with clear skies and no wind, stick a bigger 38 in there and send it up. And you can fly a 54mm for 50 bucks, if you have the hardware. But I agree, it is hard to justify. But when I build my "big" rocket, I plan to put a 54mm in it, just in case I talk myself into shelling out the cash to fly one that big.

But it is all what you like. Lots of people fly nothing but LPR birds, and my favorite flights so far has been with my Big Daddy. I think you could probably save money by investing in the AT 24/40 case. They are cheaper than the larger BP motors. The 29/40-120 is good, the 'F' loads DO incur HAZMAT shipping though.

Mike