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Some with disabilities don’t own or can’t drive cars. A lot of places around the world and in the U.S. have public transportation systems that are not hospitable to those with mobility limitations. So if you’re unable to get a ride from a family member or friends, and can’t afford private transportation, that’s a big problem when trying to get disabled people to vaccination centers.”

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I have to agree. The old and the disabled are challenged by this illness.
 

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Got a text from the NHS on Thurs calling me in for my first shot of the vaccine this morning. I lost a kidney a few years back so class as vulnerable. My parents (both over 80) had their first shot on 16th Dec, the second on 7th Jan. They told me they felt a bit groggy and had a sore arm for a while after the first, but otherwise ok. If all goes to plan I'll let you know how it feels...
 

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Well that went smoothly. First part was a bit like voting really - turned up at the designated centre (a local college building 20 mins walk away) confirmed my name etc. Then filled out a short questionnaire before being called in to a room where there were iirc six cubicles. A few verbal questions then given the jab. Given a leaflet and an appointment card for the second shot.
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Had to wait in another side room until 10.36. Walked home. At the moment I can feel a slight twinge in the arm where the needle went in. Think I'll take it easy today. Maybe read about rockets.
 

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Experiencing a very slight sort of fuzzy feeling in my head now. Not unpleasant or painful, but if I was driving right now I'd pull over and rest.
 

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Experiencing a very slight sort of fuzzy feeling in my head now. Not unpleasant or painful, but if I was driving right now I'd pull over and rest.
My wife and I had ours on Friday. She was fine except for a sore arm. I was extremely fatigued and spent most of Saturday in bed. I am at about 90% now, and I am sure the sinus infection did not help matters. Waiting on round two.....
 

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We probably shouldn't expect them to back their rhetoric with actions as if they actually believed it. Sigh.
You actually believe anything that comes out of the mouths of politicians? From observation only about 5 to 8 percent of politicians aren't congenital liars. They are only interested in power and money. Particularly at the higher levels of government.
 
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From observation only about 5 to 8 percent of politicians aren't congenital liars.
It’s not congenital, it’s acquired through prolonged practice....... Remember, many of them are lawyers.

(Just having fun, most of the lawyers I have actually MET seemed like nice people.)
 

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My wife and I had ours on Friday. She was fine except for a sore arm. I was extremely fatigued and spent most of Saturday in bed. I am at about 90% now, and I am sure the sinus infection did not help matters. Waiting on round two.....
Sorry to hear you had a rough ride. This one knocked me sideways also. I've had various vaccinations over the years with no problems, and get my flu jab every October with no reactions, so the last 48 hours have been, err, 'interesting' . I woke early yesterday (Monday) with aching limbs (a bit like one gets with flu, but with none of the other flu symptoms) and a thick head. Strange feeling unwell but knowing that it's ultimately a good thing. Paracetamol got rid of the aches and I was able to work a little in the morning but by lunch time I just felt knackered, so arranged to take the afternoon off and slept. Then had an early night. Seems to have done the trick, as I'm feeling ok today. Yes, here's to the next shot...
 

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My wife and I had ours on Friday. She was fine except for a sore arm. I was extremely fatigued and spent most of Saturday in bed. I am at about 90% now, and I am sure the sinus infection did not help matters. Waiting on round two.....
If you develop nausea and / or a cough, consider gettign tested for COVID.
 

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Okay, 18 hours out from shot 2 of Pfizer. Arm is sore just like first shot, but can still use a keyboard and microphone. Recommend get the shot in non dominant arm. I’ve been on Motrin and Tylenol since the shot. Otherwise so far other than my new third arm I am doing gzorniplatifrbdnbertsidgq.... I mean fine.
 

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Okay, 18 hours out from shot 2 of Pfizer. Arm is sore just like first shot, but can still use a keyboard and microphone. Recommend get the shot in non dominant arm. I’ve been on Motrin and Tylenol since the shot. Otherwise so far other than my new third arm I am doing gzorniplatifrbdnbertsidgq.... I mean fine.
I suspect that is all you get. I think my symptoms were from COVID and not the vaccine.
 

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TOO MANY ADVERSE REACTIONS: CA TEMPORARILY STOPS INJECTIONS OF MODERNA’S COVID VACCINE

www.dcclothesline.com/2021/01/19/too-many-adverse-reactions-ca-temporarily-stops-injections-of-modernas-covid-vaccine

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That publication is a bit sensational but eventually gets to the facts.
It appears one specific lot of the vaccine had issues. And the issues were only seen at one site. Most of the lot has already been used up elsewhere, with no reported problems.

This shouldn't be interpreted as a general problem with the vaccine, as the title might suggest.
 
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That publication is a bit sensational but eventually gets to the facts.
It appears one specific lot of the vaccine had issues. And the issues were only seen at one site. Most of the lot has already been used up elsewhere, with no reported problems.

This shouldn't be interpreted as a general problem with the vaccine, as the title might suggest.
Absolutely, this is sensationalized. Even if the risk is 1 in 1000, the risk of death is final. I would still get the vaccine. The risk is over stated but still worth the risk to prevent deaths. That being said, the vaccination is voluntary and you have to make your own decision.
 

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That being said, the vaccination is voluntary and you have to make your own decision.
Chuck,

So far . . . What are your "predictions", if 40 - 50% +/- of people refuse the vaccine, nationwide ?

Dave F.
 
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Would schoolchildren and K-12 teachers be in the “general public” category presuming they don’t meet another criterion above? If they are, that means school in a lot of places isn’t opening until fall at best. It will be harder to get back on track economically without schools open.
In Illinois, essential worker and over 65 are in wave 1B which starts February 1 and goes through April. General public starts in May.

Vaccine trial for children are just starting, so it will be a while for them. I do not believe the current vaccines are approved for children, nor for pregnant women, neither of which were parts of the initial Pfizer and Moderna trials.
 

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Absolutely, this is sensationalized. Even if the risk is 1 in 1000, the risk of death is final. I would still get the vaccine. The risk is over stated but still worth the risk to prevent deaths. That being said, the vaccination is voluntary and you have to make your own decision.
Indeed, one recent article interviewed notable epidemiologists who are critical of the current messaging. Companies that develop the vaccines will always stick to the facts of the trials as they can never guarantee there won't be some isolated (and potentially serious) problems, but the truth that is while the 95% effectiveness means you don't get sick, the other 5% only get a mild case, akin to the flu. Only one case in the 32,000 person Pfizer trial had a severe case and that person survived. They also stated that if you get vaccinated and don't get sick you almost certainly are not infectious. They knew of no approved vaccines where that has ever been true.

Bottom line, unless you are an anti-vaxer, get vaccinated.
 

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Chuck,

So far . . . What are your "predictions", if 40 - 50% +/- of people refuse the vaccine, nationwide ?

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My predictions? You have your choice. The vaccine appears to be much less disabling than COVID. If 50% get it, I would expect 300K more deaths and 20 MIL infections this year. I thought it would burn itself out. I was wrong.

If the public does not accept the vaccine, businesses, schools, maybe even churches may require a covid card to attend. It is already underway but not implemented for mass transportation.
 

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In Illinois, essential worker and over 65 are in wave 1B which starts February 1 and goes through April. General public starts in May.

Vaccine trial for children are just starting, so it will be a while for them. I do not believe the current vaccines are approved for children, nor for pregnant women, neither of which were parts of the initial Pfizer and Moderna trials.
They are not approved for children. There are studies underway. Also, I have heard on of the new live virus may be approved for children.
 

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Seems we might be stuck in a bit of "Quid Pro Quo" with Pfizer..


 

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Seems we might be stuck in a bit of "Quid Pro Quo" with Pfizer..


Yikes. Seems like someone in Parliament should introduce a bill to de-list Viagra from coverage under Canada's national health care.
 

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Yeah, despite "other" issues we have (of our own doing), this came up..

Sad, if this is their intent.. (which it likely is..)
 

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Is It Safe To Be Around Someone Who Got The COVID-19 Vaccine If You Haven't?

https://www.aol.com/lifestyle/safe-around-someone-got-covid-192043021.html


This article seems to contradict itself, at times.

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David-yes it is safe. In older vaccines such as live polio and shingles (both currently off the market) the vaccines carried attenuated live virus which could be transmitted from the vaccine recipient to others. The main concern then were the potential spread to neonates and those with immunodeficiencies. Unlike those previous vaccines, the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine is mRNA based and "instructs" the recipients cells to produce portions of the Viral spike protein (which contains or is adjacent to the human viral binding site) which in turn elicits an antibody response that binds to the virus. This binding expedites the immune system's elimination of the virus and also blocks the ability of the virus to attach to human cells. So, no live virus is either used or endogenously produced by the vaccine recipient. One caveat though, the vaccine diminishes the risk of acquiring COVID-19; however, a mild or asymptomatic infection can occur and the virus spread. In those cases, the vaccine minimizes the morbidity to only mild cases.
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David-yes it is safe. In older vaccines such as live polio and shingles (both currently off the market) the vaccines carried attenuated live virus which could be transmitted from the vaccine recipient to others. The main concern then were the potential spread to neonates and those with immunodeficiencies. Unlike those previous vaccines, the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine is mRNA based and "instructs" the recipients cells to produce portions of the Viral spike protein (which contains or is adjacent to the human viral binding site) which in turn elicits an antibody response that binds to the virus. This binding expedites the immune system's elimination of the virus and also blocks the ability of the virus to attach to human cells. So, no live virus is either used or endogenously produced by the vaccine recipient. One caveat though, the vaccine diminishes the risk of acquiring COVID-19; however, a mild or asymptomatic infection can occur and the virus spread. In those cases, the vaccine minimizes the morbidity to only mild cases.
Fred
Another thing we have no clue about is how long the vaccine(s) are effective for . . .

Since the vaccine(s) have not undergone long-term testing, there is no way to know, with any degree of certainty.

Nor is there any idea of the effect of multiple re-vaccinations, either.

I guess they just intend to wait until the number of cases rise again ?

Or, most likely, they will simply blame that on people who refused to be vaccinated.

Dave F.
 

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The people enrolled in the clinical trials will continue to be studied to test for the long term effectiveness and the need / timing for a booster. Remember there are 40k people with a head start in addition to the rest of us who have been vaccinated. All of this goes into consideration for full FDA approval.


 

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NateB makes a great point here. We are administering doses under an EUA but the full approval will only come after considerably more data is recorded. There will be a raft of safety and efficacy data along with follow-on trials looking at antibody titers, infection rates, and relative efficacy of booster shots.

Since we know very specifically the mode of action of these vaccines, we can easily monitor trail off of the relevant antibodies our bodies generated against the spike protein, as well as our bodies ability to remember what that protein looks like and produce new antibodies to it when challenged. These studies can only be done over time, when there are enough people how have and the shot long enough, of course.
 

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The people enrolled in the clinical trials will continue to be studied to test for the long term effectiveness and the need / timing for a booster. Remember there are 40k people with a head start in addition to the rest of us who have been vaccinated. All of this goes into consideration for full FDA approval.


This is why I volunteer to take it. I took my second done and had to miss work today. It had kicked my butt a little. My immunologist, biochemist, and ID doc all think I must form a higher than normal immune response.

I will say that the vaccine has to have less long-lasting side effects than catching COVID. I have several 18-30-year-olds that I tracking that have heart failure with an EF less than 40.
 
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