Counterfeit case?

Discussion in 'Propulsion' started by Mr G, Feb 7, 2019.

Help Support The Rocketry Forum by donating:

  1. Feb 7, 2019 #1

    Mr G

    Mr G

    Mr G

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2013
    Messages:
    398
    Likes Received:
    8
    Two beautiful blue Rouse-Tech 38/240 cases with huge variations in markings.
    Never expected to have one with a typo.
    Does the one without the logo even come close?
    From top to bottom, the size, material and threads are exactly the same.
    Any reason to doubt their integrity or provenance?
     

    Attached Files:

  2. Feb 7, 2019 #2

    kuririn

    kuririn

    kuririn

    BARGeezer TRF Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2016
    Messages:
    1,459
    Likes Received:
    242
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Hawaii
    Were they produced many years apart? I have a newer Aerotech 29/40-120 case and another I just bought on eBay that had been lying in the sealed bag, unopened for "many years". Very different markings, but physically the same.
    IMG_20190206_193907.jpg
     
  3. Feb 7, 2019 #3

    Mr G

    Mr G

    Mr G

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2013
    Messages:
    398
    Likes Received:
    8
    Good question. The case on the right is blank where the SN and date would normally appear...
     
  4. Feb 7, 2019 #4

    grouch

    grouch

    grouch

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2011
    Messages:
    3,359
    Likes Received:
    353
    One of my 29mm cases looks like your case on the right. The anno is slightly dustier and not as polished as the rest. I didn't like it so I bought another, looks the same. I guess it's just product variances over different production runs. I'd fly,that case like you stole it.
     
  5. Feb 7, 2019 #5

    DAllen

    DAllen

    DAllen

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2009
    Messages:
    4,157
    Likes Received:
    191
    Given the size of the rocketry market I would be amazed if there were black market counterfeit cases in the wild.
     
    muddymooose and Bat-mite like this.
  6. Feb 7, 2019 #6

    dhbarr

    dhbarr

    dhbarr

    Amateur Professional

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2016
    Messages:
    5,035
    Likes Received:
    325
    I own two different unlicensed flavors of 29mm hardware.

    But you're right in that I've never seen one of the clones try to fully imitate the actuals.
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2019
  7. Feb 7, 2019 #7

    MClark

    MClark

    MClark

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2009
    Messages:
    2,203
    Likes Received:
    222
    There are lots of black market AT cases, some are known manufacture like LOC others are of mysterious origin.

    M
     
  8. Feb 7, 2019 #8

    DAllen

    DAllen

    DAllen

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2009
    Messages:
    4,157
    Likes Received:
    191
    Well then. Color me amazed.
     
    muddymooose and Zeus-cat like this.
  9. Feb 7, 2019 #9

    BF Rockets

    BF Rockets

    BF Rockets

    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2018
    Messages:
    30
    Likes Received:
    8
    They both are fake. Send them to me for proper disposal.

    Seriously. I have cases with both types of lettering shown. They are made from different runs. I believe the one on the right was produced later than one on left.
     
    ChuckH likes this.
  10. Feb 7, 2019 #10

    mpitfield

    mpitfield

    mpitfield

    Lifetime Supporter Staff Member TRF Lifetime Supporter Global Mod

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2013
    Messages:
    4,162
    Likes Received:
    124
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    Somehow over the years I have ended up with some clone 29mm cases, but whoever manufactured them did not try to pass them off as counterfeit as they are not even anodized let alone stenciled. I believe this is just a case of differences in manufacturing runs.
     
  11. Feb 7, 2019 #11

    Bat-mite

    Bat-mite

    Bat-mite

    Rocketeer in MD

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2013
    Messages:
    9,182
    Likes Received:
    585
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Maryland
    I'd say if the liner, nozzle and closure fit snugly, let her rip!
     
    Steve Shannon likes this.
  12. Feb 7, 2019 #12

    MClark

    MClark

    MClark

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2009
    Messages:
    2,203
    Likes Received:
    222
    Gary R was putting together a I54 for me, he gave me crap because it was a black market case I handed him.
    We got a bunch of them in the 90’s cheap, like 98mm $25 for an end closure and 30-40 for a tube. At one time I had a dozen 38 mm full sets.
    I recently got a bunch of hardware made by LOC from someone getting out of the hobby.
     
    Steve Shannon likes this.
  13. Feb 8, 2019 #13

    jd2cylman

    jd2cylman

    jd2cylman

    Still not Carl... ;-)

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2011
    Messages:
    3,807
    Likes Received:
    122
    I have a gold Rouse Tech case that just says 29/120, but is clearly a 29/40-120... I found a 54/1280 case at Wildman's that is etched 54/852. I told Tim that it would be my solemn duty as his friend and fellow enthusiast to dispose of this miss marked case to avoid contamination in the wild...
    Funny, he didn't seem to think so... I'm not sure why... :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  14. Feb 8, 2019 #14

    timbucktoo

    timbucktoo

    timbucktoo

    Well-Known Member Staff Member Global Mod

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2014
    Messages:
    5,270
    Likes Received:
    347
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Cocoa Beach
    Any idea if many gold rouse tech cases were made?
     
  15. Feb 8, 2019 #15

    Steve Shannon

    Steve Shannon

    Steve Shannon

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    4,377
    Likes Received:
    878
    Yes
     
  16. Feb 8, 2019 #16

    jimzcatz

    jimzcatz

    jimzcatz

    Boss, Carolina Rocket Mafia

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2009
    Messages:
    3,773
    Likes Received:
    76
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Hurdle Mills NC
    They were all gold in the beginning. Rouse Tech I mean.
     
  17. Feb 10, 2019 #17

    WILDMANRS

    WILDMANRS

    WILDMANRS

    Sponsor TRF Sponsor

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2009
    Messages:
    1,780
    Likes Received:
    186
    Those are both made buy rouse tech, His original ones had the gorilla on them, he also had gold ones .
     
  18. Feb 10, 2019 #18

    cwbullet

    cwbullet

    cwbullet

    Obsessed with Rocketry Staff Member Administrator TRF Lifetime Supporter Global Mod

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2009
    Messages:
    20,964
    Likes Received:
    903
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Glennville, GA
    I do not think this is a knockoff, but with as much trouble as it is to get some cases recently, I am surprised more knockoffs are being made.
     
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2019
  19. Feb 10, 2019 #19

    3stoogesrocketry

    3stoogesrocketry

    3stoogesrocketry

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2012
    Messages:
    1,056
    Likes Received:
    26
    Here is a perfect 54/1280 "knock off" . Not sure of the origin , but it might be a LOC clone
     

    Attached Files:

  20. Feb 10, 2019 #20

    Steve Shannon

    Steve Shannon

    Steve Shannon

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    4,377
    Likes Received:
    878
    Why do you believe it’s a knock off? It looks like an older Aerotech case that has had the label peeled off.
     
  21. Feb 10, 2019 #21

    cwbullet

    cwbullet

    cwbullet

    Obsessed with Rocketry Staff Member Administrator TRF Lifetime Supporter Global Mod

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2009
    Messages:
    20,964
    Likes Received:
    903
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Glennville, GA
    I agree. I have 1-2 that look very similar. It is not a knock off.
     
  22. Feb 10, 2019 #22

    MClark

    MClark

    MClark

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2009
    Messages:
    2,203
    Likes Received:
    222
    Looks like a LOC. The look like a color mismatched AT set, I think the red is slightly different from real AT.
    There are also cases with a high polish finish.
     
  23. Feb 10, 2019 #23

    3stoogesrocketry

    3stoogesrocketry

    3stoogesrocketry

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2012
    Messages:
    1,056
    Likes Received:
    26
    Exactly Mark. The black is not the same. Chuck , yes it looks like a older case with the label peeled , but it is not . The red is also more Macintosh red then a cherry red AT uses . Also I paid 35 dollars for it lol
     
  24. Feb 10, 2019 #24

    GRIFFIN

    GRIFFIN

    GRIFFIN

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2009
    Messages:
    3,152
    Likes Received:
    64
    There are plenty of counterfeit AT hardware sets out there.
     
  25. Feb 10, 2019 #25

    Brent

    Brent

    Brent

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2009
    Messages:
    1,438
    Likes Received:
    15
  26. Feb 10, 2019 #26

    dhbarr

    dhbarr

    dhbarr

    Amateur Professional

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2016
    Messages:
    5,035
    Likes Received:
    325
    A point, if you will: if someone sells me some threaded tube, that doesn't make it a counterfeit. I have plenty such for research work.
     
  27. Feb 10, 2019 #27

    cwbullet

    cwbullet

    cwbullet

    Obsessed with Rocketry Staff Member Administrator TRF Lifetime Supporter Global Mod

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2009
    Messages:
    20,964
    Likes Received:
    903
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Glennville, GA
    Those are purdy.

    Good point. EX cases are not counterfeit.
     
  28. Feb 13, 2019 #28

    JDcluster

    JDcluster

    JDcluster

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2009
    Messages:
    5,137
    Likes Received:
    42
    Gender:
    Male
  29. Feb 14, 2019 #29

    prfesser

    prfesser

    prfesser

    Lifetime Supporter TRF Lifetime Supporter

    Joined:
    May 7, 2017
    Messages:
    434
    Likes Received:
    208
    Location:
    Murray, KY
  30. Feb 14, 2019 #30

    seth_cooper

    seth_cooper

    seth_cooper

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2015
    Messages:
    116
    Likes Received:
    14
    Clone might be more appropriate than counterfeit.
     

Share This Page