I apologize for being somewhat unavailable. I have been on vacation to perform my honey-do list.
This is the best I’ve seen. https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/vaers-data-take-it-with-a-grain-ofChuck, taking care of your family responsibility outweighs rocketry forum chats! Enjoy some time.
Meanwhile, if anybody sees an analysis of VAERS death data whittling down the 5k+ total deaths and explaining them showing how really just a few indicate any trends to be concerned about please let me know so I can use it to help educate people.
Our teams have immunized over 500K. That is a small drop in the bucket, but we have not had a single death tied to immunization.Chuck, taking care of your family responsibility outweighs rocketry forum chats! Enjoy some time.
Meanwhile, if anybody sees an analysis of VAERS death data whittling down the 5k+ total deaths and explaining them showing how really just a few indicate any trends to be concerned about please let me know so I can use it to help educate people.
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/does-vaers-list-deaths-caused-by-covid-19-vaccinesMeanwhile, if anybody sees an analysis of VAERS death data whittling down the 5k+ total deaths ....
On a social network I frequent, some "Q-types" are talking about how the 5000+ VAERS reports of deaths following vaccination are just the tip of the iceberg and how all of those cases are caused by the vaccine, and there are so many more unreported cases... yadda yadda yadda. There's no reasoning with them, but I try to post rational, informed information in rebuttal so that others won't be swayed by their delusions and conspiracy theories.
Very good point!https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/does-vaers-list-deaths-caused-by-covid-19-vaccines
You can share data with people, and those who are open minded will arrive at similar conclusions to yours. Or share data with you that will help you adjust your conclusions closer to theirs.
On the other hand, the above approach can never work if the person on the other end of the argument is paid to propagate raw disinformation, for a living:
https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-foreign-online-1584765
I spend too much time on local social media dealing with known Q types who are certain that every adverse event reported in VAERS is caused by the vaccine and that "it only shows 1% of the true deaths" (which if both true would mean 500k+ deaths due to the vaccine). These people are hard wired to be suspicious of anything connected to the gubmint.
I'm not sure why they go down this path. I do understand the "election fraud" set that overlaps with vaccine conspiracy because that is about partisan politics, but the vaccine isn't one party's baby or the other and is widely hailed by politicians of both stripes, and the former president was among the first vaccinated.
Being hesitant about a rapidly developed vaccine is understandable, but now that there are hundreds of millions of data points worldwide, not just US "controlled by our gubmint," and only a few rare issues coming up and being handled with remarkable transparency... These conspiracy theories are obvious fraud and having a serious impact on vaccination rates here.
Humans suck.
Yeah, Chuck's not the only one holding a pruner. Don't be surprised when some of these posts get moved or deleted.Hey guys, let's dial the politics back. This is Chucks vacation week and we don't want to make him spend time pruning the thread... He is supposed to be pruning bushes I think.
This virus is going to keep circulating until enough people have immunity, and there’s only two ways to get immunity: A vaccine or by catching covid.
The latter appears to be increasing less protective as new variants arrive.
They have just raised the age at which you have to have the Astra Zeneca here. Now 60 and over have AZ and 40-59 can have AZ or Pfizer. I will sign up for the Pfizer ASAP. The change has pleased many people that were hesitant to get AZ due to clotting.
“from Conversation” said:How are the VAERS reports confirmed?
Is any confirmation done or do they assume a certain percentage is garbage and weight the results accordingly? In any study, self reported data is always the most suspect.I can put a VAERS report of a death and I am not required to confirm or provide evidence of a death. The VAERS reports are more susceptible to fraudulent entries and can be a garbage in garbage out reporting system.
ThirstyBarbarian said:This virus is going to keep circulating until enough people have immunity, and there’s only two ways to get immunity: A vaccine or by catching covid.
The latter appears to be increasing less protective as new variants arrive.
Chuck, how come we hear so little about the V-safe program? The " after vaccination health checker."
I'm aware of it due to my job in the health care sector but I don't recall being informed about it when either I or my family got our shots. I would think it would be pushed strongly. Is any significant portion of the US using it?
Maybe people are too suspicious of it?
What drives me nuts when I heard government is that vaccines were developed by private industry and the FDA is usually called too overly protective when it comes to drug approvals vs what is available in other countries. 600 million deaths and the fact USA society was shut down for 14 months should tell everyone that not only do they have a personnel duty to themselves and family but a civic duty to society so we can cplegely open up. But , hell, no, not to Americans. Because of our suspicion attitude, COVID will never be eradicated and we will live with it and shots forever. We or the unvaccinated will continue to be host and allow this virus to continue morphing .I spend too much time on local social media dealing with known Q types who are certain that every adverse event reported in VAERS is caused by the vaccine and that "it only shows 1% of the true deaths" (which if both true would mean 500k+ deaths due to the vaccine). These people are hard wired to be suspicious of anything connected to the gubmint.
I'm not sure why they go down this path. I do understand the "election fraud" set that overlaps with vaccine conspiracy because that is about partisan politics, but the vaccine isn't one party's baby or the other and is widely hailed by politicians of both stripes, and the former president was among the first vaccinated.
Being hesitant about a rapidly developed vaccine is understandable, but now that there are hundreds of millions of data points worldwide, not just US "controlled by our gubmint," and only a few rare issues coming up and being handled with remarkable transparency... These conspiracy theories are obvious fraud and having a serious impact on vaccination rates here.
Humans suck.
I meant completely open up...What drives me nuts when I heard government is that vaccines were developed by private industry and the FDA is usually called too overly protective when it comes to drug approvals vs what is available in other countries. 600 million deaths and the fact USA society was shut down for 14 months should tell everyone that not only do they have a personnel duty to themselves and family but a civic duty to society so we can cplegely open up. But , hell, no, not to Americans. Because of our suspicion attitude, COVID will never be eradicated and we will live with it and shots forever. We or the unvaccinated will continue to be host and allow this virus to continue morphing .
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