Another great research article that has shown that asymptomatic test is no the answer to buy down risk in the military. '
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6922e2.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6922e2.htm
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That is exactly what I was thinking Kurt!How about a Corona virion riding on the back of a rocket in full plume? Kurt
That is exactly what I was thinking Kurt!
Not a question, just an observation but it seems that Florida & SC had a pretty big bump in new cases since they’ve relaxed the restrictions. My own observations are probably half the people I see shopping wear no masks and the beaches are packed.
New cases.Is that a jump in hospitalizations, or jump in new cases because they increased testing and found a lot of asmyptomatic people who were infected?
In less than two months the CDC and the medical community as a whole have gone from "masks don't help and instead make you more at risk" to "masks are recommended" to now this?! I have a hard time believing anything from those "on high" anymore so forgive me for not holding my breath on this "new revelation."Pre look for the next CDC recommendation?
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-shields-masks-covid-.html
I have a different take on this.In less than two months the CDC and the medical community as a whole have gone from "masks don't help and instead make you more at risk" to "masks are recommended" to now this?! I have a hard time believing anything from those "on high" anymore so forgive me for not holding my breath on this "new revelation."
Steve, there are numerous pictures of people wearing masks during the Spanish Flu outbreak. The medical community has had 100 years to study virus transmission and implement best practices.I have a different take on this.
1. This is a brand new disease and all the doctors had to go on were previous experiences which might not directly translate.
2. All science is based on adjusting beliefs as data accumulate. The scientific community is still accumulating a huge amount of data over a period of time during which they can test their hypotheses. As odd as it might seem, this has been an excellent opportunity to learn what works. Will that help with future viruses? Maybe.
3. I would much rather have the scientific community quickly adjust their beliefs based on the feedback they’re receiving. That might be embarrassing to them, but it’s responsible.
4. Finally, they didn’t really say masks don’t help. They said that the masks which help the most (n95) should be reserved for the professionals who must deal with the threat. They said that surgical masks which are similar to dust masks are not intended to protect the wearer, but are intended to protect others from transmission of bodily fluids from the wearer. Nearly every meme seems to disregard the details. Face shields are not porous and may offer more protection for the wearer as well as others.
I agree with you on both of those statements, but it’s obvious that best practices must evolve with the differing circumstances that surround each new disease.Steve, there are numerous pictures of people wearing masks during the Spanish Flu outbreak. The medical community has had 100 years to study virus transmission and implement best practices.
In less than two months the CDC and the medical community as a whole have gone from "masks don't help and instead make you more at risk" to "masks are recommended" to now this?! I have a hard time believing anything from those "on high" anymore so forgive me for not holding my breath on this "new revelation."
Well all, it's been 2 weeks since I was in a room with 2 co-workers that tested positive.
And I feel fine!!!
Yay!
I like this sectionAnother great research article that has shown that asymptomatic test is no the answer to buy down risk in the military. '
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6922e2.htm
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The findings in this report are subject to at least two limitations. First, the interventions were implemented in a highly structured and sufficiently resourced military base. Therefore, the success of these interventions in preventing transmission of SARS-CoV-2 at JBSA might not be transferrable to other settings
In other words, basic recruits do what you tell them to do. Your average Joes and Josephines do whatever they want.
The most important thing about the study is that they found limited proof of passage from asymptomatic spreaders.
I don't think it does. They did not find proof. That does not mean that there was not spread. I suspect that the contained population allowed it to spread and the population is less likely to be symptomatic because of the age and fitness level. More research is needed. This was started before newer testing.This seems to contradict prevailing opinions, that much of current spread is from asymptomatic carriers (of course, I think with testing we are finding that a lot of cases ARE completely asymptomatic, so even if small probability of spread from asymptomatic people, if there are lots and lots of asymptomatic people, still significant.)
Any guesstimates on what percent of Covid cases go completely clinically undetected? (Meaning how many people were/are either completely asymptomatic or so minimally symptomatic they didn’t think they had anything?)
Check out this reference:
https://news.iu.edu/stories/2020/05...ings-impact-covid-19-indiana-coronavirus.html
Also:
"IUPUI scientists estimate the infection-fatality rate for the novel coronavirus in Indiana to be 0.58 percent, making it nearly six times more deadly than the seasonal flu, which has an infection-fatality rate of 0.1,
IFR for the flu is based on statistical projections translating cases (clinical presentation) into estimates of infections. Many studies have looked at infection of flu so yearly infection stats are reasonable. I read once about asymptomatic influenza carriers: random testing showed 20% of flu positives were asymptomatic.Okaaaay. So the number for Covid death rate is deaths per infection (symptomatic AND asymptomatic.)
BUT, the number for FLU, is THAT based on deaths per SYMPTOMATIC cases alone, or symptomatic AND asymptomatic cases? My guess is the FORMER (not sure but guessing nobody was doing antibody or other tests for ASYMPTOMATIC flu cases. I do not know if there is data on asymptomatic cases.). So we may still be comparing apples and kumquats.
Okaaaay. So the number for Covid death rate is deaths per infection (symptomatic AND asymptomatic.)
BUT, the number for FLU, is THAT based on deaths per SYMPTOMATIC cases alone, or symptomatic AND asymptomatic cases? My guess is the FORMER (not sure but guessing nobody was doing antibody or other tests for ASYMPTOMATIC flu cases. I do not know if there is data on asymptomatic cases.). So we may still be comparing apples and kumquats.
My sister is a bit worried about the increased chance of Covid when her husband gets a new batch of recruits at Ft. Jackson pretty soon, not that she or any of her family have issues which may make it any more or less life threatening.True. The comparison to another location that tested all basic trainees twice at onset and at the end. That is a lot of tests in a resource restrained environment. The positive rate was nearly 1/4. It delayed training and created holdovers. If you do nto test unless symptomatic, you can greatly reduce the impact on training. The most important thing about the study is that they found limited proof of passage from asymptomatic spreaders.
My sister is a bit worried about the increased chance of Covid when her husband gets a new batch of recruits at Ft. Jackson pretty soon, not that she or any of her family have issues which may make it any more or less life threatening.
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