Coronavirus patients in new Chinese cluster exhibiting symptoms different from Wuhan

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I posted this yesterday. This is a salacious article meant to spread clicks. It is more likely to be new symptoms that we did nto recognize before than a mutation.
 

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Wait for a more reliable source. What would it mean clinically? Not a darn thing, unless 29 were weaker or had 100% fatality rate - which they have not suggested or found.
 

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Fox News should never be cited for anything. They are not a reputable organization, news or otherwise. Anything coming from Fox should just be ignored.
The same thing can be said for CNN and MCNBC - most Americans choose news based on the agreement with how it is presented which is wrong. It is important to challenge your beliefs. Please avoid the political side of this.
 

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Wait for a more reliable source. What would it mean clinically? Not a darn thing, unless 29 were weaker or had 100% fatality rate - which they have not suggested or found.
I want to clarify this statement before a bunch of folks try to play gotcha. Viruses naturally mutate. Our cells naturally mutate genetically. That does not mean that something big is happening. There has been to next to no proof that a single mutation has resulted in a change in viral activity or virulence. Everything we are seeing points in the opposite direction.

These news stories allow the user to paint the picture that the sky is falling and we are the verge of 30 new strains that can infect you all over again. There is no or limited indication that this is true. Relax, enjoy your cup of coffee.
 

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Coronavirus patients in new Chinese cluster exhibiting symptoms different from Wuhan

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-patients-in-new-cluster-exhibiting-symptoms-differently-than-wuhan
This story implies that there are 46 new cases that seem to show different symptoms from a new strain. It could also be from a genetically different group that responds differently to the virus. I would like to see another source and a confirmation of the different strain in this group.

Interesting statement: "The longer period during which infected patients show no symptoms have created clusters of family infections" - Umm, I don't to be a Doctor to know that. We will call this guy Dr. Obvious.
 

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Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains, study finds

https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-mutated-at-least-30-different-strains-study-finds

I combined the two threads on similar topics but am responding to the news articles one by one. I just read through some of my prior posts. I may have not been clear in my prior conversation on viruses. True mutations to a new form of COVID - Animal version to CVID, SARS, or MER - is relatively a longer process. I should have said to the new virus.

There may be 30 different mutations that have occurred, but whether they are 30 identified unique strains will take in-depth genetic and symptomatic review of clusters. This, to my knowledge, has not occurred. It would be highly irregular for it to have happened so quickly. I asked my expert this morning who has a PhD in virology and is a world renouned infectious disease physician. The wrote the book type. The doc said "Don't get medical news from news agencies or China."

Either way, this is no reason to go into hibernation - yet.
 

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Just to share a better article that is more balanced by ABC: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19-mutating/story?id=70535183
I think this was actually covered here in the main thread by John DeMar? on May 7th?

 

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The same thing can be said for CNN and MCNBC - most Americans choose news based on the agreement with how it is presented which is wrong. It is important to challenge your beliefs. Please avoid the political side of this.

CNN scores much better on the truth meter than either FOX or MSNBC
 

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Fox News should never be cited for anything. They are not a reputable organization, news or otherwise. Anything coming from Fox should just be ignored.
I guess you prefer the Leftist "Fake News" MSM outlets, all "pushing an agenda, in lockstep" ?

Sorry, but I believe NOTHING from those sources.
 
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Today I am a skeptic at all news. I am becoming quite the Libertarian and I am concerned that the news services are in cahoots. I have notice a significant slant to all of the sources about anyone that relies on only on source. I start with one source and compare it to other services.

You are not paranoid if they are really our to get you.
 

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Today I am a skeptic of all news. I am becoming quite the Libertarian and I am concerned that the news services are in cahoots. I have notice a significant slant to all of the sources about anyone that relies on only on source. I start with one source and compare it to other services.

You are not paranoid if they are really are to get you.
Chuck,

Well said, sir . . . I will proudly stand beside you, if and when future events call for those measures !

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants” - Thomas Jefferson

And, for the "Snopes Dopes" out there, Jefferson really did say that : https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/thomas-jefferson-tree-of-liberty

Dave F.
 

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Chuck,
Well said, sir . . . I will proudly stand beside you, if and when future events call for those measures !
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants” - Thomas Jefferson
And, for the "Snopes Dopes" out there, Jefferson really did say that : https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/thomas-jefferson-tree-of-liberty
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I would have loved to spend a few hours having a beer with our founding fathers.

They were imperfect like any human but they seem larger than life to me.
 

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I would have loved to spend a few hours having a beer with our founding fathers.

They were imperfect like any human but they seem larger than life to me.
Chuck,

They seem "larger than life" because our way of life has been so "watered down", since those times.

They are the REAL Americans, unlike most people, save for the remaining Patriots, today !

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Chuck,

They seem "larger than life" because our way of life has been so "watered down", since those times.

They are the REAL Americans, unlike most people, save for the remaining Patriots, today !

Dave F.
Sorry to distract from the topic. I feel the same way. My first deployment was in 1999 to Kosovo. We lived in tents at first, but we could video and telecommunication readily with home. Heck, we had the internet. It almost makes you feel guilty how easy we have it when compared to Vietnam, Korea, the WWs, Civil, and Revolutionary Wars. Folks today lose their minds if they do not internet connectivity for an hour. Many of these guys had letters that took 6 weeks to get to their homes.
 

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Chuck,

They seem "larger than life" because our way of life has been so "watered down", since those times.

They are the REAL Americans, unlike most people, save for the remaining Patriots, today !

Dave F.
Dave, you do not get to decide who is and is not a real American. Just because someone doesn't look like your imagining of a Real Patriot doesn't mean they are any less American. Everyone who is a citizen (and arguably many who are not) are real Americans. That's the root of the 13th, 14th, 15th, 19th, and 24th Amendments.
 

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Folks today lose their minds if they do not internet connectivity for an hour.
Chuck,

That is a clear sign of people having been "conditioned" ( indoctrinated ) to be "helpless" without Technology and require continuous, instant gratification.

Even in Rocketry . . . Many people won't even fly their own designs or a new rocket ( most only fly "kits", nowadays ), without having to run it through Rocksim. What did people do before Rocksim ? We "did the math" and used our brains, rather than relying on a machine to do the thinking for us !

The Pandemic is hardly any different . . . People only listen to information from the sources they have been conditioned to believe . . . Any other source must be wrong, if it isn't in "lockstep" with the narrative of the "Main Stream Media" ( MSM ). They are terrified, if anything contradicts what their "Nanny" continuously "spoon feeds" them and start lashing out like a spoiled child !

Dave

“When the government fears the people there is liberty. When the People fear the government, there is tyranny” - Thomas Jefferson
 

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Dave, you do not get to decide who is and is not a real American. Just because someone doesn't look like your imagining of a Real Patriot doesn't mean they are any less American. Everyone who is a citizen (and arguably many who are not) are real Americans. That's the root of the 13th, 14th, 15th, 19th, and 24th Amendments.
Boatgeek,

As a matter of fact I do get to decide, for myself . . . You do, too, based on whatever your individual values and priorities may be which are, most likely, very different from mine !

It all depends on one's definition of "Patriot" . . . So, what is a "Patriot" ?

(1) My definition is a person whole is loyal to the traditional moral, religious, and ethical beliefs of the Founding Fathers, who opposes tyranny and loss of individual rights, freedoms, liberty, and is willing to fight to preserve them.

(2) Other people might define it as one who is blindly loyal to whatever the Government tells them, without question, and is willing to allow our Constitutional Republic ( we never have been a "Democracy" ) to be weakened and molded into something that compromises or eliminates every principle that the USA was founded upon.

(3) Which one is you, or do you have a different "definition" ?

I refuse to be "herded" into Socialism / Globalism, even under the guise of "safety", during a pandemic . . . Don't forget that the 2nd Amendment is the one that "guards" all the rest of our rights, freedoms, and liberty. That is precisely why it is being continuously targeted !

Dave F.
 

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So, back on topic . . .

I find it interesting the new symptoms or, possibly, a mutation of Covid-19 is emerging in Wuhan.

I hope that the inevitability of mutations does not render the development of a safe, effective vaccine a moot point !

Dave F.
 

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I hope that the inevitability of mutations does not render the development of a safe, effective vaccine a moot point !
I would hope that once they know how to make a vaccine for this type of virus, that adapting it to any mutations from year to year or whatever the time frame is, would be easier. At least then, they wouldn't be starting from scratch.
 

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I would hope that once they know how to make a vaccine for this type of virus, that adapting it to any mutations from year to year or whatever the time frame is, would be easier. At least then, they wouldn't be starting from scratch.
Even with the current Flu vaccines, it is pretty much a "guessing game" about which strain they think is likely for each "Flu Season".

Dave F.
 

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It is an educated guess when they predict the strains to incorporate into the next flu vaccine, but they do better some years than others. 50% effectiveness is better than nothing.

They still don't have to start from scratch though. As they predict which strain will be prevalent, they know the basic means of making a flu vaccine. Once we learn what work and what doesn't with this coronovirus, it will be easier to treat and protect against other coronaviruses which share the same RNA.
 

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Boatgeek,

As a matter of fact I do get to decide, for myself . . . You do, too, based on whatever your individual values and priorities may be which are, most likely, very different from mine !

It all depends on one's definition of "Patriot" . . . So, what is a "Patriot" ?

(1) My definition is a person whole is loyal to the traditional moral, religious, and ethical beliefs of the Founding Fathers, who opposes tyranny and loss of individual rights, freedoms, liberty, and is willing to fight to preserve them.

(2) Other people might define it as one who is blindly loyal to whatever the Government tells them, without question, and is willing to allow our Constitutional Republic ( we never have been a "Democracy" ) to be weakened and molded into something that compromises or eliminates every principle that the USA was founded upon.

(3) Which one is you, or do you have a different "definition" ?

I refuse to be "herded" into Socialism / Globalism, even under the guise of "safety", during a pandemic . . . Don't forget that the 2nd Amendment is the one that "guards" all the rest of our rights, freedoms, and liberty. That is precisely why it is being continuously targeted !

Dave F.
One more and then I'll stop lest I get too political or be accused of threadjacking.

You of course have freedom of your conscience. And it is clear that you hold a view of who is a patriot that is pretty close to the Three Percenters. When you declare that 97% (or 90%, or 80%) of Americans are "not real Americans," you can expect people to call you out on it.

While I hear the sentiment of #1, you might want to think about that. While I greatly respect the political system set up by the Founding Fathers, they were all human and had some deep flaws. The most obvious is that a significant percentage were slaveholders. If you 100% follow their moral compasses, you agree that slavery is not only acceptable, but patriotic. If you don't stand for slavery (and I certainly hope you don't), how do you pick and choose the remaining moral stances that you follow?

#2 is a pretty bad straw man. It's also so non-specific that you could apply it to any number of politicians across the spectrum depending on where you stand on it yourself.

My definition of a patriot is one who works to improve the broader community and who is interested in the well-being of all more than their own narrow interests. You would no doubt call me a socialist (heck, I do that myself!), but that does not make me any less a patriot in my mind. YMMV of course.

[edit] Lest you think I don't support the Second Amendment, I 100% do, in precisely the well-organized form that the Founders intended with the Militia Acts of 1792: you can have any kind of gun you want (minimum black powder musket or rifle firing balls weighing 1/18th pound), as long as you join a militia organized by the state, you drill with that militia regularly, and that the militia is governed by the standard national rules of discipline for militias, and that the commanding officers of the militia shall regularly document the status of the armaments and preparedness of the troops under their command. I suppose the last item would be a statewide registry of firearms. Hmm.
 
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