Censored news articles.

[DavRedf]

I found this on one of the forums I belong to and found some of the items very interesting.
The complete post is too long to import here so i'ge got the url and you can read it there. You dont need to be a member of that forum.

<b>Edited by TRF Moderators, 9-8-2004 1:00pm EST. Link has been removed.</b>

Some of this affects us all not just our American friends.

Mods I feel this has some relevance here but if you feel that it should not be posted, my apologies, and please remove it.

David

 

[Elapid]

is everything!

the link says they are doing a site move...what was the gist of the article?

 

[DavRedf]

The site move should only take a couple of hours.
It had articles that had either not been published or had been censored.

Try the link again later.

David

 

[Austin]

Dave,

The link still does not work so we cannot check out its realevance. However, as you know this is a family oriented forum, hence you should know by now what is and isn't acceptable and if it goes against this grain. I would think you should also know whether or not to kill the thread yourself, which you can do as creator and that you would do so to follow the guidelines previously mentioned and the policies of TRF.

Best Regards,

Carl

 

[DavRedf]

The link is working now.

David

 

[HeadHunter]

Dang and I thought this was a rocketry forum...

Don't mean to sound cranky but Politics left and right have many other places. As you can see from my signature I am quite passionate about my beliefs, but I have and will respect the rules of this forum and take it somewhere else. If your looking for a polarized environment try rmr on Usenet

 

[DavRedf]

Headhunter you are right it is a rocketry forum and this section of it is for any subject, not only those related to rockets. If you feel so about politics you must surely be concerned about censorship and missleading articles in the press and on other means of communications.

This affects us in the UK as well and I am keenly interested in any form of censorship.

Yes I do also fly rockets but this is becoming more and more regulated as I am sure you are aware, (LEUP,s) and as such I will continue to post such items as I feel of interest. If the members of this forum think this is wrong then I will be like a good shepard and "get the flock out of here" as suppression here is the same as in the media. As long as I stick to the rules, and the admin and mods make sure of that, then I feel that I have the same right as you or anyone to post non rocketry items.

You sir have the same right as everyone else in that you do not have to read them if you so choose.

David

 

[dragonshiprider]

I thought this was kinda interesting.Also,Isn't this the part of TRF where members are suppose to be able to discuss ANYTHING?

 

[prowlerguy]

Nobody throws out such outlandish red-meat conspiracy theories and expects a discussion of them. They are simply trying to provoke a flamefest. I don't come to this site to have my bandwidth wasted by such meaningless, pointless exchanges of venom. There are plenty of site for that in the Internet.

Oh, and BTW, if it is published on a web site, by definition, it is not censored.

 

[Austin]

The link for the thread has been removed, as it was in direct violation of The Rocketry Forum's "no politics" policy. In the future, please refrain from such posts.

TRF Staff

 

[dragonshiprider]

I completely agree! After all one would have to be nuts to think that the honest and forthright people in our government would ever try to pull some sort of a conspiracy.That's almost as ludicrous as the notion that someone may just post something because they feel others might find it interesting.The last thing we would ever want to do is encourage someone to actually discuss it!

 

[dragonshiprider]

O.K. I just went and checked the GUIDELINES.I have to admit that I was wrong. I didn't know that this board had a strick politics free policy. Given that then I agree it was out of place.Sorry!

 

[Austin]

Dragonshiprider...no problem and thanks for reading!

Originally posted by DavRedf
Headhunter you are right it is a rocketry forum and this section of it is for any subject, not only those related to rockets. If you feel so about politics you must surely be concerned about censorship and missleading articles in the press and on other means of communications.
David

David,

Your comments to Headhunter are out of order. You are well aware that although the "Coffee House" section of the forum is open to non-rocketry discussions, ANY discussions regarding politics of any kind are not permitted. One of the Forum's best practices is the fact that it is a "political free zone", free of any politics, making it a safe haven for those wishing to talk rockets.

What really bothers me is the fact that we asked you to remove it if it was inappropriate and against policy and you left it in place. In the future, we recommend you adhere to our policies. This thread will not be pulled as the inappropriate material has been remove and this response should set a precedent for future threads and their content.

Regards,

TRF Staff

 

[rstaff3]

The trouble with such subjects is that there are usually 2 sides to any issue and the discussion will gengenerate to a flame war. People on both sides will remember the other's opinion and the sniping will bleed over to other parts of the forum. I'm sure people who want to discuss most any issue should be able to find an outlet somewhere on the web.

 

[Mike]

The people who enter into debates on a subject on a forum tend to have very strong views about it and if I think about my views they're unlikely to be swayed by a few hundred words on a public forum.

 

[jflis]

how about them Red Sox, eh?

 

[wwattles]

Originally posted by jflis
how about them Red Sox, eh?

The Red Sox is just a cover for the Neo-Nazi Paganist movement that is funded by aliens who desire to surgically remove the spleen from every male born in February with the letter "K" in their name.

No wait, I think that might be a conspiracy theory... drat...

Sorry Jim, can't talk about the Red Sox anymore!

WW

 

[rstaff3]

Originally posted by jflis
how about them Red Sox, eh?

Another off-topic post!

 

[DavRedf]

Carl in what way were my comments out of order? they were polite,and I thought well thought out after what was a thinly disguised dig at me.
And would you please explain why the linked article was political?

Thankyou

David

 

[eugenefl]

Originally posted by DavRedf
Mods I feel this has some relevance here but if you feel that it should not be posted, my apologies, and please remove it.

David

I wasn't around to click on the link (wow - me missing something on the Forum, that's a new one!), but I'm sure it fell within the lines of this guideline:

OF MICE AND POLITICS
Politics, as with religion, have been the ruin of many a society. Wars have been fought over political and religious beliefs. Healthy communities can be torn apart because of a difference of opinion.

Because of this, The Rocketry Forum is a Political free zone. We reserve the right to remove any post that is deemed by the Moderators to be "political". Discussions of the "How" and "What" are allowable when dealing with different certifications or governmental agencies. It is the "Why" post that will be removed.

We live in a faceless internet. Words are expressionless and easily misinterpreted. Whatever the case may be, I would suppose the original post or thread beginnings "fell out of bounds" and therefore was modified to be brought back "within bounds."

Shoot, I have no idea what the article was about, but I do believe your original thread alluded to the possibility of irrelevance, confusion, and/or misinterpretation as to the content. The "mods" didn't think it belonged as you suggested and therefore the link to the questionable content was removed. What further explanation is needed?

 

[eugenefl]

Originally posted by jflis
how about them Red Sox, eh?

Should've asked how the weather was! Some of us could have easily responded to *that* post!

 

[DavRedf]

eugenefl I ask what I asked no more no less. In the original post I did not think it was political to any great extent my reason for querying it was that it contained several parts and one or two of them I felt might not have been suitable and as such asked. Most of the post I felt was alright. Carl and the other mods felt different and so removed the link, fine.
I then get a post that seemed to be an attack directed at me and I answered it, at the same time I pointed out that no one need read my posts if they choose not to.

I admit that I sometimes push the cart too far but whereas I might question the mods I respect there decision.
Hell I'm a mod on another forum so I know what they have to put up with.


David

 

[prowlerguy]

Nobody attacked you, Dave. Headhunter pointed out (correctly) that this PRIVATE forum has rules prohibiting political postings. If you can't see why a list of articles such as "Dick Cheney runs the War for Halliburton's benefit" and "John Ashcroft and the American Taliban" could be considered not only political, but inflamatory, then you need to come back to planet Earth. For you to try to relate the "articles" you posted to rocketry by mentioning LEUPs was a non sequiter, and you know it. And to tell Headhunter that you were going to do what you please was rather presumptous, don't you think (since you don't pay for the site and your aren't a mod)?

The mods gave you a chance to do the right thing on your own, but you refused, and now have continued to play the "innocent in search of truth" and cry out that you have been wronged. That dog don't hunt, son. Sorry, but there are plenty of places to discuss those topics so hot that indymedia.org and Mike Moore censor them, but it is not here. I would suggest that you let it go, before the mods lose their patience with your silly games.

 

[Austin]

DavRedf,

I was going to answer your question, but while a bit harsh, one of our members just said it better than I ever could...thanks prowlerguy.

And with that, we no longer need this topic open...

Best Regards,

Carl

 

[KermieD]

Originally posted by wwattles
The Red Sox is just a cover for the Neo-Nazi Paganist movement that is funded by aliens who desire to surgically remove the spleen from every male born in February with the letter "K" in their name.

No wait, I think that might be a conspiracy theory... drat...

Sorry Jim, can't talk about the Red Sox anymore!

WW

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of the Yankees. Right Jim?

 

[PGerringer]

Originally posted by jflis
how about them Red Sox, eh?

ROTFLOL!!!