Can I check Estes motors on an international flight?

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  1. Dec 1, 2018 #1

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    Can I check Estes motors on an international flight? I’m going to Paraguay to visit family, and I’d like to launch some rockets with the kids.
     
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    Almost assuredly not.

    For instance, from United:
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    Fireworks, gunpowder, flares, flare guns and fireworks novelties such as holiday poppers or "Christmas crackers" are not allowed in carry-on or checked baggage.
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    There's no specific callout in this particular list, but the parallels should be fairly obvious.
     
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    Yeah, I agree. It’s probably not allowed. But I’m thinking about just playing dumb, and if the motors get confiscated, oh well. I don’t want to be put on the no-fly list.
     
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    what if the motors aren't confiscated but something happens and ends up setting the plane on fire? Still oh well?
     
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    Certainly acknowledging you know it's wrong but proceeding is not a good look when you get caught and/or cause an incident.
     
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    Here's a photo from a box that was used by a manufacturer to send me non-hazmat motors by air. They are not allowed on passenger aircraft.

    Also check out the last sentence of the first paragraph of this NAR document. http://www.nar.org/pdf/shipping_rocket_motors.pdf

    "Sport rocket motors are strictly forbidden to be carried or shipped on passenger-carrying aircraft; DO NOT TRY TO FLY ON AN AIRLINE WITH ROCKET MOTORS."


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    Take a water rocket instead. Please don’t make all of us look bad.
     
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    Can you not buy rocket motors in Paraguay? Or perhaps ship yourself some rocket motors?
     
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    I’ve written to one of our Prefects who lives in Argentina to see if he knows anything. It may not be helpful; it’s like asking someone in Canada to recommend a hobby shop in Mexico, but no harm in asking.
     
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    My friend tells me that as far as he knows, there’s no model rocketry in Paraguay. It may even be forbidden, so what would happen if the motors you considered “playing dumb” about were not detected by TSA (causing an evacuation of the airport, detention of you and your family, and possibly civil or even criminal charges) but were detected at customs in Paraguay, resulting in an arrest there and far worse legal problems?
    It’s difficult for me to think anyone would even consider doing this.
     
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    Thank you very much. This is what I wanted to know. I guess there will be no joy in Paraguay.
     
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    Nice image. What year was it from?

    I had some motors air shipped in the late 80's from AT in Las Vegas to Ames, IA, via Flying Tigers. They were the last freight only airline, at least in the US. I did not save any of the packaging or labeling. There may still be some small regional freight only carriers. I have no idea what services may be available in Paraguay or elsewhere.
     
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    This was 3 or 4 years ago via FedEx. This shipment got bumped from one flight because of something else on plane that was not compatible to ship together. In the end, ground would have been quicker because it sat a few days waiting for a plane.
     
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    Freight airplanes are individual airplanes. Freight only airlines are companies with many airplanes that only carry freight.

    There are MANY, MANY freighter airplanes and some freight only airlines. But, shipping flammable solids or HAZMAT is not easy and they will probably not accept a shipment from an individual. Usually they only accept such shipments from shippers with the necessary training and certification to ship HAZMAT.

    https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2018/02/05/ups-boeing-747-8f-cargo-jet-photos-video.html
    https://www.airplane-pictures.net/operator.php?p=155
    https://www.airplane-pictures.net/operator.php?p=529
    etc., etc., etc.
     

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