# Benefits of kits

## What are the most important benefits of kits (over scratch-building)?

• ### I don't like to design my own rockets

• Total voters
85
• Poll closed .

#### JohnCoker

##### Well-Known Member
I'm curious why rocketeers prefer kits in general to scratch-building. (Note the "in general"; if you rarely or never build kits, this poll isn't addressed to you.)

##### Well-Known Member
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I'm curious why rocketeers prefer kits in general to scratch-building. (Note the "in general"; if you rarely or never build kits, this poll isn't addressed to you.)
Various reasons:
• For real-world scale rockets (Saturn V, Nike Hercules, etc) - I have neither the time, nor frankly the desire to research and measure and scale each individual component's size and shape. Buying someone else's research efforts to achieve the desired final model shape is a definite plus.
• I can't (conveniently) mold or cut certain materials and shapes. Shaping nose cones of any size is WAY out of my league or abilities, or interest. Same goes for complex transitions out of molded plastic and/or fiber-glass.
• Then there is a matter of convenience and personal safety. Laying, curing, cutting, and sanding fiber-glass or carbon-fiber is within reach, but the precautions, equipment, and real-estate demands for doing so safely and competently would be more than I can reasonably justify.
• Last, but not least, I work with kids of various ages and dexterity levels. A lot. A few are mine, many more are local cub scouts. Giving them a bagged kit, with instructions, is part of their educational experience. Handing out well documented kits is the only reasonable entry way into this hobby.

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#### fyrechaser

##### Builder of flying things
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Yeah, none of the choices (to me at least) seem to be an advantage over scratch building. But like you John, I am curious and encourage folks to participate in the poll. Thanks for posting it.

#### les

##### Well-Known Member
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I do a mix, although more of my rockets are kits vs scratch

First - I prefer sci-fi and odd-roc over 3FNC
Second - there are a lot of great kits out there - Fliskits, Shrox, Estes, New Way, Excelsior, Fat Cat, Semroc, etc. Might as well take advantage of their genius and
Third - yes - getting all the parts, decals, etc is easier

#### neil_w

##### Working on 20K
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I chose “it comes with instructions“ but I am not sure it quite captures my true #1 advantage: frees me from doing a lot of thinking. Kit building is much more relaxing than scratch building.

Regrettably I don’t have to build nearly as many kits as I’d like, most of my builds are scratch.

#### kuririn

##### BARGeezer
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I couldn't participate in the poll because my main reason for choosing kits is not listed: learning novel and unique building techniques. That's why I choose to build kits that are different.

#### NOLA_BAR

##### Well-Known Member
None of the choices really fit me either. I’m about 50/50 kit and scratch. Kits if I like the design and the parts involved (complex plastic molds or laser cutting). Basically parts I cannot replicate (lack of time, equipment and skill). Though I guess that is choice number 3. It is also similar in process to a LEGO kit. Sometimes it is just relaxing not to think too much and put something together. (Same as number 4?) Scratch is definitely a more fulfilling process though.

#### PatD

##### Well-Known Member
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Sorry, none of the above. I scratch, kit and kit bash build, but boy am I slow. Something that I see that I want in a size not available or with changes I scratch. I am definately not in the league of many on here with scratch builds. Probably don't have the imagination many of you do. Kits are fun and easy, plus you know that they are probably stable.

#### Fattbank64

##### Well-Known Member
I chose not to participate.

I prefer kit-bashing instead of buying kits.

REK

#### Alan15578

##### Well-Known Member
It is generally cheaper to clone a kit from parts. However, it is difficult and expensive to make your own decals and some plastic parts. Complex kits with lots of parts and decals are generally better values. No matter how spectacular your custom designed rocket is, spectators at your demo launch will always be more engaged with rockets built from kits that they can identify.

#### lowga

##### A.K.A. 'Mr. HoJo'
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I'm in favor of people doing whatever they enjoy as part of the hobby. I'm not a great builder, but admire those who are. I enjoy kit bashing, flying, videography from rockets, and telemetry.

Enjoy kits, but don't hesitate to scratch build or kit-bash to meet an objective. As for safety, that's job #1 for me. If I'm not 100% certain it's safe, I don't fly it. No hobby is worth someone getting hurt over.

#### GlenP

##### Well-Known Member
I buy kits for the decals! I can make my own, but that requires more work if you have to draw them yourself first. The kit original artwork tells a story. It’s what makes an Alpha VI 60th anniversary commemorative edition more then just a 3FNC with a plastic fin can and matching nose cone in a shiny metallic finish! Personal reasons may vary over the years, as experience and tastes change.

#### OverTheTop

##### Well-Known Member
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None of the poll options are relevant to me.

LPR/MPR I usually buy the kits. As GlenP mentioned they have the decals so I can apply the non-human equivalent of makeup to the rocket and tart it up very well. As examples I like the kits from Sirius Rocketry and Apogee in this regard.

For HPR kits are a good way of getting the necessary airframe, NC and possibly the fins all in one batch. I rarely follow any instructions for HPR kits and sometimes change out fin shapes or material if I feel inclined. Couplers are sometimes shortened to get mass down and chute space up if needed. Basically I kit-bash every HPR I have built to at least some degree.

I do have the wherewithal to scratch build, including airframe tubes, but choose not to nearly every time. YMMV.

#### mooffle

##### Well-Known Member
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...learning novel and unique building techniques.
I like to buy mass materials and scratch build most of my stuff. However this exact reason is why I bought a Hydra 7. It looked cool and I know there was no way I could make a rocket look like that at the time.
Also scratch oddrocs can be hard to sim so if there is fighter plane or spaceship then I'll get it knowing it's safe.

#### TheTank

##### Well-Known Member
#1 reason for me that isn't on the poll... time (Or lack thereof).

#### RobertH3

##### No need to buy stands after a launch day!
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afadeev got most of them - I gave a hand-turned 75mm cone a try and think I can get it, given the proper material. Scratch-built often requires multiple tries if you are doing a first time fab. Decals are expensive for a scratch build. Also did a trial glassing (tough first time but successful if you don't count amount of primer required ha-ha).
Intro to new materials and techniques...bought a Mach 1 Nike XII just to get learnin' in on fiberglass and because it looks great. The HPR kits all seem to require a bit of a bash, and also seem to leave a fair amount of problems for you to solve.

Cheers / Robert

#### Funkworks

##### Well-Known Member
What I like is scaled versions of real and well-known fictional rockets. So if a kit of something I like exists, there's no point for me to build it from scratch. Having all the parts included is very convenient and everything I know I learned from instructions (and this here so-called "internet" place). I would only scratch build what I can't find as a kit.

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#### timbucktoo

##### Well-Known Member
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I buy kits mainly because all the components are already made. I have rolled a few tubes and as much as I enjoyed it, I just don't have the shop facilities for remaining components.

#### prfesser

Most kits that I buy (scale and sci-fi) would be a lot more work to duplicate from parts. Mostly I scratch-build because I have a fair stock of tubes, fin/centering ring material, and parachutes (for MPR-HPR; I make my own chutes for scratch LPR). Sometimes I make the nose cone as well.

#### LW Bercini

##### Well-Known Member
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my true #1 advantage: frees me from doing a lot of thinking. Kit building is much more relaxing than scratch building.
Like Neil, my true passion is scratch building. And I agree that scratch building is more "mind intensive". I will very often finish one of my more complex scratch projects, then pull out a kit or three just for the pure pleasure of building.

Given that my life has been extraordinarily complicated these last 3 years (multiple family members with serious illnesses), I have been more prolific in my kit building than I ever have before. But even the kits I choose need to be unique enough to sustain my interest. You will rarely see me build a 3FNC kit unless it is a scale subject (e.g. Black Brant).

#### Leo

##### Well-Known Member
If I buy a kit then it's because the manufacturer designed a kit that interests me so much that I need to have it or two
The only other reason I purchase kits is for spare parts (which I voted for).

#### rharshberger

##### Well-Known Member
I buy kits mainly because all the components are already made. I have rolled a few tubes and as much as I enjoyed it, I just don't have the shop facilities for remaining components.
+1, sometimes I just want something that already to be put together without cutting fins, centering rings, airframes, AV Bay parts etc.

#### H_Rocket

##### Death by Powerpoint
+1, sometimes I just want something that already to be put together without cutting fins, centering rings, airframes, AV Bay parts etc.
Yup, me too. Though I’m just lazy.

#### JohnCoker

##### Well-Known Member
Thanks for all the responses. I added a couple more options in response to comments.

#### kalsow

##### Well-Known Member
I almost alway scratch build -- HPR. I make my own tubes, nose cones, centering rings, and composite fins. I like the hours and hours of mind noodling. I'm not artistically inclined, so most of the design work is discovering techniques and processes that will result in a flyable rocket.

Scratch building feels cheaper. It takes months and months to finish a scratch build, but only a few days to build a kit. So the \$/day cost of the hobby goes way down! I don't usually consider buying tools a cost of the hobby, it's a reward for living.

The last kit I bought was so that I could upscale it. I figured the original designer deserved his pay. I did the upscale, but haven't built the kit.

#### Thundercloud

##### Well-Known Member
I am mainly a scratch builder, but I like kits as a way to start into the next level. I started with a LOV IV kit to get into High Power, and I think a nice fiberglass kit would be a good way to certify level III.

#### mbeels

##### Yes balsa
TRF Supporter
I also mostly scratch build, but two additional reasons I buy kits are:
1. Sentimental reasons, it's fun to rebuild a kit from years ago (if it is still around)
2. It's easier involve my 5 year old son. He likes to glue things, sand, and check off instruction steps as we go. (Although he is getting into drawing his own designs now.)

#### JackC

##### Member
Hi John! I met you at Black Rock in 2010 or so where I introduced you to Vern Knowles.

My answer to your poll is all the pieces are there and the instructions are available. For most rockets, I scratch build. But, when I'm trying to do something I haven't done before, like a multistage rocket, I'll go the kit route. So, I have a PML Quantum Leap in my garage waiting for me to build it.

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#### rklapp

##### NAR# 109557
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Scratch build can be expensive when I realize there’s one piece missing and I have to buy a pack which means I have to build more scratch to use up the extra parts except for the one piece I’m missing. It’s a vicious cycle.

As a kid, I would tire of my models and would shoot them with my BB gun or stick firecrackers in them. Model rockets seem a lot more civilized.

#### jrap330

##### Retired Engineer, NAR # 76940
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I'm curious why rocketeers prefer kits in general to scratch-building. (Note the "in general"; if you rarely or never build kits, this poll isn't addressed to you.)
I would say speed...it takes time to design and procure all the parts....there are so many great kits out there and new ones every year. I want to launch..that is the exciting part.