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skyspike1

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Hope to see Atlas launch today..will be tuning to United Launch Alliance site this afternoon for update & hopefully live launch via webcam. Then I scamble to my roof to hope to see white plume in north sky....@75 miles away thats about all you get! But weather here in Florida today is WIND NE 25 knots, Clouds, scattered rain....but not enough for me to postpone mowing my lawn...Hope they get it launched today Good Luck up there!!
 
Luckily I saw the article on rocketry planet about 10 minutes before it launched and was able to tune in. All I have to say is that was one of the slowest first couple of seconds of a launch I have ever seen. I thought the video was in slow motion at first. But beautiful liftoff none the less. And that flame behind the rocket was amazing. I hope to tune in on the 11th for the Delta IV launch.

Matt
 
I was just glad to see them get it launched. The clouds here moved out just in time, watched it on website liftoff, then went outside and watched the plumetrail rise skyward. High winds and all, It's amazing how "Private" contractors can usually launch on time without all NASA's usual "Problems" (Yesterdays postponement was very rare) I havent went up to the cape to watch a shuttle launch recently because of all the delays the last few years. Calling off work, long drive in traffic, wait all day at "The Field" then drive home at midnight, launch postpone 24 hrs. Then drive up next day....same thing..scrubbed. That can make you a little gun shy for a while. Although they do have perfect reasons for delays, I definatly agree with their accessments torwards conditions. The United Launch Alliance website has some AWSOME video of Delta and Atlas launches, especially the night ones...lots of flames. I really do want to go up to the Cape to see one..
 
... It's amazing how "Private" contractors can usually launch on time without all NASA's usual "Problems" (Yesterdays postponement was very rare) I havent went up to the cape to watch a shuttle launch recently because of all the delays the last few years...
What??? When was the last time NASA built or launched anything???

The US government contracts out virtually all of its operations, except for actual combat. Government employees are the oversight management for these contractors.

NASA rockets and spacecraft are built by private contractors paid by NASA and launched by private contractors paid by NASA using NASA owned facilities. These "private" contractors are called NASA contractors.

The Atlas launch yesterday was an Air Force payload build by private contractors paid by the Air Force, and launched by private contractors paid by the Air Force from an Air Force owned facility. These "private" contractors are called Air Force contractors.

Below is a list of the top 100 "private" government contractors in 2010.

https://washingtontechnology.com/GIG/washingtontechnology/TopLists/Top-100-Lists/2010.aspx

These are the big boys who operate most government facilities.

Note that (1) Lockheed and (3) Boeing own United Launch Alliance. https://www.ulalaunch.com/site/pages/About_QuickFacts.shtml

The management styles of DoD organizations such as the Air Force, and civilian organizations such as NASA probably account for the difference in the success rate of certain programs.

Bob
 
I guess I was a little misunderstood there...your facts stated above are correct and obviously warranted. Having witnessed 17 shuttle launches from "The Cape" at thier field up there since '84, and watched every launch since programs inception, the ratio of delays/scrubs are for reasons totally necessary to programs success and safety. i have alot of friends that work up there, as well as subcontractors Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, as wellas Pratt-Whitney,(local here in my neighborhood). But shuttle launch conditions are mandated by NASA itself, only material and programs related to equipment designed by each contractor are thier responsibility. NASA oversees all safety and launch conditions pertaining to weather ect. using conditions previously set by all manufacturers of components..Manned launches always demand a closer tolerances than rocket/satt.deploy launches.(Rightfully so!)Especially after Challenger disaster, I witnessed it from our schoolyard with all my classmates/teachers watching.I had friends whose parents lost work due to long delay of shuttle program afterwords......I guess what I really meant in previous post was that due to the extreme LOGISTICS involved in Shuttle program compared to non-manned launches controlled by non-civilian(Military ect.) depts...the chance of going up to see successful on-time launch of non-manned rockets are most worthwhile to me....sorry if I sounded nieve to the subject.....
 
Besides the increased complexity and safety standards of the shuttle launches, these launches are very high profile launches.
Most of the general launches (e.g. communication satellites) don't generate much public interests, and some are intentionally kept low profile (i.e. national security payloads). You don't hear it in the evening news when such a launch is scrubbed. This can reinforce the impression that these launches are less problematic.

Reinhard
 
Also, most shuttle launches have at most one 10 minute launch window to shoot for per day to reach the ISS, and they usually restrict that so as to open the window at the exact sweet spot in the middle of the window, effectively narrowing the window to 5 minutes or less. Some commercial launches have similar small windows, but quite a few have multiple launch windows in a given day and or longer windows to shoot for. Gives a better chance of being able to wait for iffy weather to clear or figuring out if you are good to go when the range safety equipment hiccups among other things.
 
Agreed..You never know the problems with alot of "Top Secret" programs. But the actual launches even if not published have always been visible to everyone in Florida, a huge,roaring fireball combined with white vertical plume visible for 80 to 100 miles away has always had us saying.."Huh, i didn't hear of anything being launched up there today?" Nothing is secret anymore except the purposes of some of these programs..perfect example yesterdays Delta Rocket. The 2nd test of the new,(although 10 yrs old) x-37B robotic space plane,the launch itself was public until sub-orbit,then complete information "Blackout". This unmanned vehicle was originally built by Boeing for NASA,(Yes NASA owned and operated 2002-2004) as an experimental testbed for many things including Tile wear and exp.coatings for re-entry ect..When funding ran out, sold to Defense Advanced Research Agency in 2004, until bought out by U.S. Air Force in 2006 until present. Used now for National Recon. Agency "Classified" projects. X-37B was built by Boeings own Space and Intelligence Systems in 2002. United Launch Alliance handles all aspects related to launch, and private contractors who manufacture components of the Rockets ect..... Hopefully, U.L.A. will move more operations here to Florida as shuttle program ends. Florida has a special relationship with space exploration, and have always welcomed innovation and the risks associated. I hope our new Governor R.Scott reconizes this. We have been here from the very start...last yr Pres. Obama didn't seem to when he was here, Sen. Bill Nelson (retired astronaut) was working him pretty hard on it though... I gathered from Obama's speech about funding for Florida's future this: " LESS Rockets..MORE Choo Choo's " I hope he's wrong.
 
I got a few photos of this launching on Saturday from the Benett Causeway (528)


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regards,
-tom
 
...Sen. Bill Nelson (retired astronaut) ....

I wouldn't call Nelson a "retired astronaut". He was a congressman at the time of his flight in January 1986 on Columbia (the last flight before the STS 51L disaster). He flew as a payload specialist / congressional observer and was never a professional astronaut.
 
Awsome pics tpeace! I plan to go next one, not sure if you saw my poor pics of discoverys last launch posted here on "watering hole", but they were taken from my rooftop here in Stuart....I'm sure you've seen exactly the same sight if you are here in "The Sailfish Capital of the World".....:cheers:
 
I wouldn't call Nelson a "retired astronaut". He was a congressman at the time of his flight in January 1986 on Columbia (the last flight before the STS 51L disaster). He flew as a payload specialist / congressional observer and was never a professional astronaut.

He still flew pretty HIGH for a politician!
 
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