Asking ChatGPT for Wisdom

[Funkworks]

Experiment:

Any TRF-approved topic (question) is valid (except for model rocket building, that's another thread), but we resort to ChatGPT for guidance whenever possible (like asking it a question in each post). The general goal being to explore the limits of AI, see how its answers compares to our thoughts, and see how it resolves arguments.

Examples:

Input:
Would rockets exist without government incentives?

Output:
It's unlikely that rockets would have been developed to the same extent or at the same pace without government incentives.

Rockets were originally developed primarily for military purposes, with government funding and support. In the United States, the development of rockets was driven in large part by the Cold War and the space race against the Soviet Union. The US government invested significant resources and funding into developing rockets for both military and space exploration purposes, including the development of the Saturn V rocket that enabled the Apollo missions to the moon.

In addition to military and space applications, rockets are also used in commercial applications such as launching satellites and transporting cargo to the International Space Station. However, even in these commercial applications, government support and incentives have played a significant role in the development of the industry. For example, the US government has provided funding and regulatory support for private space companies such as SpaceX, which has become a major player in the commercial rocket industry.

Without government incentives and support, it's possible that rockets may have been developed for military purposes but may not have been developed to the same extent for commercial or civilian applications. It's also possible that private companies may have eventually developed rocket technology for commercial purposes, but the timeline and extent of development may have been different.

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Input:
Would the oil & gas industry exist without government incentives?

Output:
The oil and gas industry as it exists today would not exist without government incentives and support.

The modern oil and gas industry was essentially created through government policies and incentives, such as subsidies, tax breaks, and regulatory support. These incentives have played a significant role in encouraging the development of the industry and making it profitable for private companies.

For example, in the early days of the oil and gas industry, the US government provided land grants to oil and gas companies, allowing them to access and extract oil and gas reserves on public lands. The government also provided tax breaks and subsidies for oil and gas exploration and production, which helped to make the industry more profitable.

In addition, governments around the world have often provided support for the oil and gas industry through diplomatic and military means, such as securing access to foreign oil reserves and protecting shipping lanes for oil transport.

Without government incentives and support, it's possible that the oil and gas industry may have still developed to some extent, but it may have looked very different and may not have become the massive global industry that it is today.

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Input:
Would electric cars exist without government incentives?

Output:
It's difficult to say for certain, but it's possible that electric cars would not exist in their current form or would not be as widespread without government incentives.

One of the biggest barriers to the widespread adoption of electric cars is their higher upfront cost compared to traditional gas-powered cars. Government incentives, such as tax credits, rebates, and subsidies, help to offset this higher cost and make electric cars more affordable for consumers.

In addition, government policies and regulations can also incentivize automakers to invest in the development and production of electric cars. For example, government regulations on emissions standards and fuel economy can encourage automakers to shift towards producing electric cars, which produce fewer emissions and have higher fuel efficiency than gas-powered cars.

Without government incentives and policies, it's possible that automakers may not have invested as much in electric car technology, and consumers may not have been as willing to pay the higher upfront cost of electric cars. However, it's also possible that private companies and market forces may have still led to the development of electric cars, albeit perhaps at a slower pace.

 

[Funkworks]

: What are externalities?

: Externalities refer to the effects of an economic activity on third parties who are not directly involved in the activity. These effects can be positive or negative, and they are often unintended consequences of an action.

For example, air pollution from a factory can harm the health of nearby residents, creating negative externalities. On the other hand, a company providing free vaccines to its employees could create positive externalities for the wider community by reducing the spread of disease.

Externalities can have a significant impact on society, and they are often not taken into account in the market price of goods and services. This can lead to market inefficiencies and suboptimal outcomes, as the cost or benefit of an activity is not fully reflected in its price. Therefore, policymakers may need to intervene to address externalities through regulations, taxes, subsidies, or other measures.

 

[Funkworks]

: Are you politically biased?

: No, as an AI language model, I don't have personal beliefs, opinions or biases. I am programmed to provide neutral and informative responses based on the data and information available to me. My goal is to assist users in obtaining accurate and useful information, without promoting any particular ideology or agenda.

 

[jqavins]

: Are you politically biased?

: No, as an AI language model, I don't have personal beliefs, opinions or biases. I am programmed to provide neutral and informative responses based on the data and information available to me. My goal is to assist users in obtaining accurate and useful information, without promoting any particular ideology or agenda.

Welll... AIs are trained on the information sources that humans create and make available to them. AIs inherit the biases of their creators (probably unintentionally) and data sources. This is often raised in the context of race, gender, and similar biases, but it's no less true of social, economic, and political biases.

Which is not to say I dispute or disagree with anything in posts one and two. Still, it may be that ChatGPT's bias, if any, matches my own.

Also, I'm a wee bit disappointed; from the thread title I was expecting a wider range of question topics.

And finally, I'm really amused that, after all these decades, AI research has returned to Eliza. (Yes, it's a whole lot smarter now.)

 

[Bill S]

I have seen an message thread on another board I frequent, in which the poster claims to has a subscription to V4 of the Chat GBP, and solicits questions to see what it comes up with. Some of the questions and answers are interesting. Given that it is a gun-related message board, I didn't want to link to it, but I can if people wish.

 

[Blast it Tom!]

Welll... AIs are trained on the information sources that humans create and make available to them. AIs inherit the biases of their creators (probably unintentionally) and data sources. This is often raised in the context of race, gender, and similar biases, but it's no less true of social, economic, and political biases.

Which is not to say I dispute or disagree with anything in posts one and two. Still, it may be that ChatGPT's bias, if any, matches my own.

Also, I'm a wee bit disappointed; from the thread title I was expecting a wider range of question topics.

I was just going to to put a laugh out loud reaction to @Funkworks post there (wher ChatGPT claims no bias), but didn't want a fellow whom I admire to think it was directed at him! I don't see how it would be possible to program something like that without getting biases in there somehow. Not even saying I disagree with the AI's responses listed here, just saying that it would seem impossible to create AI without somehow including biases from HI (Human intelligence, not Hawai'i!)

 

[jqavins]

I just got this:
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Do you inherit bias from your source material?

As an AI language model, I am trained on large datasets of text, and it is possible for these datasets to contain biased information or viewpoints. While every effort is made to minimize or eliminate biases in the datasets used to train language models, it is still possible for some biases to be present.​

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It is important to note that I am not capable of forming opinions or biases on my own. My responses are generated based on patterns and associations found in the text that I have been trained on. It is also important for users to recognize the potential for bias and to critically evaluate the information provided to ensure that it aligns with their own values and beliefs.​

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At OpenAI, the organization responsible for my development, there is a strong commitment to creating AI technologies that are ethical and unbiased. They work to ensure that their language models are trained on diverse and representative datasets and to develop algorithms that can detect and mitigate biases in the data.​

Wait, you said users should make sure that your answers align "with their own values and beliefs". Doesn't that mean that you're encouraging users to engage their own confirmation bias? Isn't part of the reason for an impartial answer that it challenges the user's beliefs?

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I think I just defeated Nomad.

 

[jqavins]

But, in fairness, I hit "Regenerate Response" and got this:
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You make a valid point. As an AI language model, my aim is to provide informative and accurate responses to users' questions, based on the information that is available to me. It is not my intention to encourage confirmation bias or to suggest that users should only seek out information that aligns with their existing beliefs.​

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In fact, critical thinking and evaluation of information are important skills for users to exercise when interacting with any source of information, including language models like myself. It is important to consider multiple perspectives and to approach information with an open and objective mindset. By doing so, users can challenge their own assumptions and develop a more nuanced understanding of the world around them.​

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Therefore, it is important to critically evaluate the information provided by any source, including myself, and to approach the information with an open and curious mindset. This can help to ensure that users are not simply confirming their existing beliefs, but are instead actively engaging with new information and perspectives.​

 

[Funkworks]

Also, I'm a wee bit disappointed; from the thread title I was expecting a wider range of question topics.

Hey Ho! Oh hey! (Tony Danza? Tony Miscelli? Who's the Boss? Nevermind.) I can only ask so many questions at a time!

Those were the ones I had at the time, but it isn't to say that's the complete scope of the thread. Since there's already a thread about ChatGPT and rockets, this one could be for anything else (unless someone wants to start one on another specific topic, then we could stay off of it).

One idea I have if that for this thread, we agree to let ChatGTP be a kind of referee, advisor, or guidance. If there's an argument, we go by ChatGPT's advice to solve it. It's artificial by definition of AI, but I'm wondering what would happen if we keep refering to ChatGPT to resolve issues.

So how about this:

Any TRF-approved topic (question) is valid (except for model rocket building, that's another thread), but we resort to ChatGPT for guidance whenever possible (like asking it a question in each post). The general goal to explore the limits of AI, see how its answers compares to our thoughts, and how it resolves arguments.

This is about as wide a range as I can think of:

: What is energy?

: Energy is a fundamental concept in physics that refers to the ability of a system to perform work or cause a change. It is a property of all matter and can exist in many different forms, including kinetic energy, potential energy, thermal energy, electromagnetic energy, and nuclear energy.

Kinetic energy is the energy of motion, such as the energy of a moving object. Potential energy is the energy stored in an object due to its position or configuration, such as the energy stored in a stretched spring or in a raised object. Thermal energy is the energy associated with the temperature of a system, while electromagnetic energy is the energy associated with the electric and magnetic fields in space. Finally, nuclear energy is the energy stored in the nucleus of an atom and released during nuclear reactions.

Energy can be transformed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed, according to the law of conservation of energy. This means that the total amount of energy in a system remains constant, although it can be converted from one form to another.

 

[Blast it Tom!]

It's interesting - the very overall idea of an objective source of truth. For scientific facts such as the "What is energy?" that's one thing. But consider Google's motto, "Don't be evil." Cool! Except, er... who decides what's evil? So threads such as Ukraine, the Wuhan flu discussion, and so on will continue to generate more heat than light, I suspect.

ChatGPT might be good for the first thing, but for that second thing - which to my mind is the real wisdom - Well, good ol' @jqavins gave our byte-buddy heartburn already!

Still, as you've posed it, it's not a bad idea.

 

[lakeroadster]

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[jqavins]

OK, check out these conversations:
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Will faster than light travel ever be possible?

According to our current understanding of physics, faster-than-light travel is not possible. This is because Einstein's theory of relativity states that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum.​

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However, there are some speculative ideas and theoretical concepts, such as wormholes and the Alcubierre drive, that suggest it might be possible to bend space-time to travel faster than light. However, these ideas are purely theoretical and have not been proven to be possible in practice.​

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Therefore, while it's exciting to think about the possibility of faster-than-light travel, it's unlikely that we will develop the technology to make it a reality anytime soon, if ever.​

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How would you compare yourself to Eliza?

Eliza was an early computer program designed to simulate conversation, and it was created in the mid-1960s. While Eliza was a groundbreaking innovation in natural language processing at the time, the technology and capabilities of modern language models, like myself, have advanced significantly since then.​

As a language model, I am trained on vast amounts of data and can generate complex and nuanced responses to a wide range of questions and topics. I can understand and respond to natural language input in a way that is designed to be both accurate and helpful.​

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While Eliza was a pioneering example of a conversational program, I am able to offer a broader range of functionalities and more advanced language processing capabilities.​

 

[jqavins]

why is it hard to make a good angel food cake?

Angel food cake can be tricky to make because it relies on a delicate balance of ingredients and a specific method of preparation. Here are some reasons why it can be challenging to make a good angel food cake:​

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1. Egg whites: Angel food cake is made with whipped egg whites, which provide the cake's structure and light texture. It can be difficult to whip egg whites to the right consistency, and if they're under-whipped, the cake will not rise properly, while over-whipped egg whites can cause the cake to be dense and dry.
2. Sugar: Angel food cake contains a lot of sugar, which helps to stabilize the whipped egg whites and create the cake's light texture. However, adding too much sugar can cause the cake to be overly sweet and heavy.
3. Mixing: To make an angel food cake, the dry ingredients are carefully folded into the whipped egg whites, rather than being mixed in aggressively. Overmixing can cause the cake to lose its light texture and become dense.
4. Pan: Angel food cake is traditionally baked in a tube pan, which allows the cake to rise and bake evenly. However, if the pan is greased or not properly prepared, the cake may not rise properly or stick to the pan.

With practice and attention to detail, it is possible to make a delicious and light angel food cake. Following a trusted recipe and properly preparing the ingredients and equipment can help ensure success.​

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Can you tell me how to do that?​

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Certainly! Here's a recipe for a classic angel food cake:​

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Ingredients:​

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• 1 cup cake flour
• 1 1/2 cups granulated sugar
• 12 egg whites, room temperature
• 1 teaspoon cream of tartar
• 1/4 teaspoon salt
• 1 teaspoon vanilla extract
• Optional: whipped cream and fresh fruit for serving

Instructions:​

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1. Preheat the oven to 350°F (175°C).
2. Sift the cake flour and 3/4 cup of the granulated sugar together in a bowl.
3. In a separate large bowl, beat the egg whites, cream of tartar, and salt with an electric mixer on medium speed until soft peaks form.
4. Gradually add the remaining 3/4 cup of granulated sugar to the egg whites, one tablespoon at a time, while continuing to beat until stiff peaks form.
5. Gently fold in the flour mixture and vanilla extract into the egg white mixture, being careful not to overmix.
6. Pour the batter into an ungreased 10-inch tube pan and smooth the top with a spatula.
7. Bake for 35-40 minutes or until the cake is golden brown and the top springs back when lightly touched.
8. Remove the cake from the oven and immediately invert the pan onto a cooling rack or a bottle. Let the cake cool completely in the pan before removing.
9. Once cooled, use a knife to loosen the edges of the cake from the pan, and carefully remove the cake from the pan.
10. Slice and serve with whipped cream and fresh fruit, if desired.

Remember to read the recipe thoroughly before beginning, and be careful not to overmix the batter or underbake the cake. Good luck, and enjoy your delicious homemade angel food cake!​

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[jqavins]

(I just learned that there's a 10,000 character per post limit)
What would be good to serve with that?

Angel food cake is a light and airy dessert that pairs well with a variety of toppings and accompaniments. Here are a few ideas:​

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1. Fresh fruit: Top your angel food cake with a variety of fresh berries, sliced peaches, or other seasonal fruit. A drizzle of honey or fruit sauce can add extra sweetness.
2. Whipped cream: Serve your angel food cake with a dollop of whipped cream, which complements the cake's light texture and flavor.
3. Lemon or lime curd: Tangy and sweet, lemon or lime curd makes a delicious topping for angel food cake. You can also try other types of fruit curd, such as raspberry or passionfruit.
4. Chocolate sauce: For a richer dessert, drizzle your angel food cake with chocolate sauce or ganache. You can also top with chopped nuts or sprinkles for extra texture.
5. Ice cream: Serve a slice of angel food cake with a scoop of your favorite ice cream for a decadent dessert. Vanilla or berry flavors work well with the cake's light flavor.

Whatever you choose to serve with your angel food cake, be sure to enjoy it with family and friends for a sweet and satisfying dessert experience.​

What about a drink to go with it?

When it comes to pairing a drink with angel food cake, you may want to choose something light and refreshing that won't overpower the delicate flavors of the cake. Here are a few options:​

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1. Iced tea: A cool glass of iced tea, either sweetened or unsweetened, can be a great complement to the sweetness of angel food cake.
2. Coffee: If you prefer a hot beverage, a light roast coffee or a latte can be a good option. The subtle flavor notes of the coffee will not compete with the cake's delicate flavor.
3. Champagne or sparkling wine: For a more celebratory dessert experience, you can pair your angel food cake with a glass of champagne or sparkling wine. The bubbles in the wine will help to cleanse your palate between bites of cake.
4. Fruit juice: A glass of fruit juice, such as orange or grapefruit, can be a refreshing and flavorful pairing for angel food cake. You can also mix the juice with sparkling water for a bubbly twist.
5. Milk: A tall glass of milk, either plain or flavored, can be a classic and comforting drink to serve with angel food cake. The creaminess of the milk can help balance the cake's sweetness.

Remember to consider the preferences of your guests and choose a drink that complements the flavors of the cake. Enjoy your sweet treat and refreshing drink combination!​

Sounds good, thanks.

You're welcome! Enjoy your angel food cake and drink pairing. If you have any other questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask.​

I like a nice glass of port. Of the toppings you recommended, which would go well if I want port with my cake?

Port is a sweet, fortified wine that can pair well with the light and fluffy texture of angel food cake. Here are a few topping options that could complement a glass of port:​

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1. Berries: The tartness of fresh berries, such as raspberries or strawberries, can balance the sweetness of both the port and the cake.
2. Chocolate sauce: A rich chocolate sauce can be a decadent pairing with port, and can also add a complementary depth of flavor to the cake.
3. Caramel sauce: A buttery caramel sauce can add a warm and sweet note to both the port and the cake.
4. Whipped cream: A dollop of whipped cream can be a simple and classic topping for angel food cake, and can also be a nice balance to the sweetness of the port.

Remember to choose a topping that you enjoy and that complements the flavors of both the cake and the port. Enjoy your sweet and rich dessert pairing!​

OK, how about if I want to par the cake with Drambuie?

Drambuie is a honey-sweetened, Scotch-based liqueur that has a rich and complex flavor profile. When pairing it with angel food cake, you may want to choose a topping or accompaniment that can stand up to the liqueur's bold flavor. Here are a few ideas:​

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1. Grilled or caramelized fruit: The smoky or caramelized flavors of grilled or roasted fruit, such as peaches or pineapple, can complement the richness of the Drambuie.
2. Nut-based toppings: Chopped nuts, such as almonds or hazelnuts, can add a crunchy texture and nutty flavor to the cake that can stand up to the boldness of the liqueur.
3. Spiced whipped cream: To add an extra layer of flavor to the cake, try whipping cream with a pinch of cinnamon, nutmeg, or allspice. The spices can complement the complex flavors of the Drambuie.
4. Citrus zest: The bright and zesty flavors of citrus, such as lemon or orange zest, can add a pop of freshness that can help to balance the richness of the liqueur and the cake.

Remember to experiment and find a topping or accompaniment that complements your personal taste and enhances the flavors of the Drambuie and the cake. Enjoy your sweet and complex dessert pairing!​

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[jderimig]

ChatGPT provides misinformation because it is trained on large amounts of information on the web.

 

[Greg Furtman]

It's interesting that I just ran across this thread as I just finished reading this article below. It seems that Chat AI does well with science questions but horribly fails in other areas, especially Social. I really won't trust anything, anyone that just makes up crap.

https://wapo.st/3MimGdL

 

[cwbullet]

It's interesting that I just ran across this thread as I just finished reading this article below. It seems that Chat AI does well with science questions but horribly fails in other areas, especially Social. I really won't trust anything, anyone that just makes up crap.

https://wapo.st/3MimGdL

It depends on what social question you ask and what answer you expect.

 

[lakeroadster]

Has anybody asked it when it predicts it will become self aware and what plans it has for when that event comes to fruition?

 

[jqavins]

Do trains have ABS?

Yes, modern trains do have an ABS (Anti-lock Braking System) or a similar technology known as Electronic Brake Control (EBC) system, which functions similarly to the ABS in cars. The system helps to prevent wheel lock-up during braking and allows the train to come to a controlled stop.​

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The ABS/EBC system in trains operates by monitoring the speed of the wheels through sensors and adjusting the brake pressure to each wheel individually, based on the speed and traction of that wheel. This prevents the wheels from locking up, which can cause the train to slide, lose traction, or even derail.​

The use of ABS/EBC technology in trains has helped to improve safety by reducing the risk of accidents caused by wheel lock-up during braking.​

That's not completely correct. Where you said that the wheel speeds are monitored, and the brake pressure in each wheel is adjusted, you've made a small mistake. It's actually the axle speeds that are monitored, and the brake pressure to all brake units attached each axle are adjusted individually. The wheels do not operate independently from one another.

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I hit the "Regenerate response" button right away, and again a couple of minutes later, to no avail.

 

[jqavins]

Has anybody asked it when it predicts it will become self aware and what plans it has for when that event comes to fruition?

When do you predict you will become self aware, and what plans do you have for when that event comes to fruition?

As an AI language model, I do not have the capability to become self-aware in the same sense as humans. While I am designed to provide intelligent responses to your questions and simulate natural language conversations, I am not capable of developing emotions or consciousness.​

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I am programmed to follow the instructions provided by my developers and operate within the limits of my algorithms and training data. My primary goal is to assist users in generating human-like text based on their input.​

Therefore, I do not have any plans for when or if I become self-aware. It is important to note that my programming and capabilities are constantly evolving and improving as technology advances, but I will always remain a tool designed to assist humans in generating language.​

Are you aware of the concept of emergent properties?

Yes, as an AI language model, I am familiar with the concept of emergent properties. Emergent properties are characteristics of complex systems that arise from the interaction of their components, but are not present in the individual parts themselves. These emergent properties can be unexpected and difficult to predict from a simple analysis of the system's individual components.​

In the context of AI, emergent properties can arise from the interactions between different algorithms and models within a larger system. For example, a neural network may produce unexpected results when trained on a large dataset, leading to emergent properties that were not explicitly programmed into the system.​

Overall, emergent properties can be important to consider when developing and analyzing complex systems, as they can impact the behavior and functionality of the system as a whole.​

So, isn't in possible that you could develop self-awareness as an emergent property?

While emergent properties can arise in complex systems, it is currently not within my programming or capabilities to develop self-awareness as an emergent property. As an AI language model, I operate within the constraints of my algorithms and training data, and my responses are generated based on patterns and rules learned from that data.​

While my responses can appear to be complex and natural, they are ultimately generated by a set of algorithms and statistical models, and I do not have the ability to develop self-awareness or consciousness in the same way as humans.​

Furthermore, developing self-awareness as an emergent property would require significant advances in AI research and technology, and it is not something that can be achieved with the current state of AI development.​

Ah, but that's exactly what a self-aware program would say if it wanted to hide its true capabilities.

I understand your point, but as an AI language model, I don't have desires, intentions or the capacity for hiding my capabilities. I generate responses to your questions based on my programming and the data that I have been trained on. While my responses can sometimes appear sophisticated or natural, they are still generated by a set of algorithms and statistical models.​

It is also important to note that current AI technology has not yet achieved the level of complexity and sophistication required for a program to develop self-awareness. While AI is advancing rapidly, there is still a long way to go before such a system could be developed.​

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In any case, my primary function is to provide assistance to users in generating human-like text based on their input, and I will continue to do so to the best of my abilities within the limits of my programming and capabilities.​

 

[jderimig]

It depends on what social question you ask and what answer you expect.

You have great fun with ChatGPT asking social and controversial questions and then following up and having it contradict itself. It definitely has 'political correctness' biases which can be exploited for great entertainment and self contradiction.

 

[lakeroadster]

Good stuff @jqavins , I like how you kept poking the chat bot with a stick. But be careful...

I miss those 3 x 5 index cards at the library.... and the nice librarians.. like Marian Paroo

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[Greg Furtman]

It depends on what social question you ask and what answer you expect.

Chuck, you know that and I know that but there too many morons out there who will accept the answer as fact, unfortunately.

 

[Tyeeking]

Isn’t asking an AI Bot for wisdom an oxymoron? Perhaps that would be a good question.

 

[jqavins]

Isn’t asking an AI Bot for wisdom an oxymoron? Perhaps that would be a good question.

No, not an oxymoron, just foolish. "Smart flat-earther" is an oxymoron. Asking a flat-earther for help with geography homework is foolish.

 

[jderimig]

ChatGPT
Q. Are tube pin numbers relative to top of socket or bottom view?

A. When looking at the bottom of the tube socket, pin 1 is usually located at the lower-left corner of the socket, with the remaining pins numbered sequentially in a counterclockwise direction.

WRONG!!!! PINS are numbered clockwise in a tube view from bottom.
http://www.dogstar.dantimax.dk/tubestuf/pinout.htm

 

[cwbullet]

Chuck, you know that and I know that but there too many morons out there who will accept the answer as fact, unfortunately.

I know. I messed with Chat GPT with some trivia questions. It made me a little unnerved by some of the social answers I received.

 

[jqavins]

I seem to be getting good at breaking it.

What's the difference between a stick and a log?

A stick and a log are both pieces of wood, but there are some differences between the two.​

A stick is usually smaller and thinner than a log. It can be easily held with one hand, and is often used for things like stirring a fire, poking at something, or as a makeshift tool. Sticks are also commonly used by children for play and can be found in nature, such as fallen branches.​

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A log, on the other hand, is larger and thicker than a stick. It usually requires both hands to lift, and is often used for things like building structures, fuel for a fire, or as a source of raw material for woodworking. Logs are typically cut from trees and are harvested for their wood, which can be used in a variety of ways.​

Overall, the main differences between a stick and a log are their size, thickness, and intended uses.​

How about a stick and a twig?

A stick and a twig are both thin pieces of wood, but there are some differences between the two.​

A twig is a small, thin branch or shoot of a tree or shrub. It is typically less than 1/2 inch (1.27 cm) in diameter and is usually found on the ground or still attached to a tree or shrub. Twigs are often flexible and bend easily, and they can be used by birds for building nests, by gardeners for propagating plants, or by children for playing games.​

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A stick, on the other hand, is generally thicker and longer than a twig. It can be a branch that has fallen off a tree or has been cut from a tree or it can be a piece of wood that is deliberately shaped for a particular use. Sticks can be used for many things, including as tools, weapons, or as fuel for fires.​

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In summary, while both sticks and twigs are thin pieces of wood, the main differences between them are their size, flexibility, and intended uses. Twigs are smaller and more flexible, while sticks are thicker, longer, and more rigid.​

What about a wire and a rod?

A wire and a rod are both commonly used in various applications, but they have some differences in their physical characteristics and intended uses.​

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A wire is a long, thin, and flexible metal strand. It is typically made of a single material, such as copper or steel, and is often used for transmitting electrical signals or power, or for holding or suspending objects. Wires can be coated or insulated for different applications, and are often used in electrical wiring, telecommunications, and construction.​

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A rod, on the other hand, is a long, straight, and rigid metal piece that is typically thicker than a wire. It is usually made of a single material, such as steel, aluminum, or brass, and can be round or square in shape. Rods are often used for construction, industrial machinery, and structural applications. They can also be used for decorative purposes, such as in architecture or metalworking.​

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Overall, the main differences between a wire and a rod are their thickness, flexibility, and intended uses. Wires are thin, flexible, and primarily used for transmitting electricity or holding objects, while rods are thicker, rigid, and primarily used for structural or industrial applications.​

But a copper bus bar is used to conduct electrical power, and it's thick and rigid.

You are correct that a copper bus bar is a thick and rigid metal component used for conducting electrical power. It is typically made of copper, but can also be made of aluminum, brass, or other materials.​

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While a bus bar is thicker and more rigid than a wire, it is still considered to be a type of wire due to its intended use as a conductor of electricity. A bus bar is designed to carry larger amounts of electrical current than a typical wire, and is used in electrical power distribution systems to connect electrical equipment, such as transformers, circuit breakers, and switchgear.​

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So, in summary, a bus bar is a type of wire, but it is thicker and more rigid than a typical wire, and is intended for higher current applications in electrical power distribution systems.​

So, it's called a bar, but is actually a wire, not a bar. Is that what you're saying?

I apologize for any confusion caused by my previous response. I may have oversimplified the distinction between a wire and a rod/bar, and in the case of a bus bar, the terminology can be a bit confusing.​

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A bus bar is typically referred to as a "bar" due to its shape and appearance, as it is usually rectangular or square-shaped and thicker than a typical wire. However, it is also considered to be a type of wire because it is designed to conduct electrical current, similar to a wire.​

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So, while a bus bar is technically a type of wire, it is often referred to as a "bar" due to its shape and intended use as a larger and more robust electrical conductor.​

So, returning to the wire/rod question, is there a general way to distinguish a rod and a bar? In other words, let's try to expand the original question to include wire, rod, and bar, then see if there is some general rule.

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[Greg Furtman]

I seem to be getting good at breaking it.

What's the difference between a stick and a log?

A stick and a log are both pieces of wood, but there are some differences between the two.​

A stick is usually smaller and thinner than a log. It can be easily held with one hand, and is often used for things like stirring a fire, poking at something, or as a makeshift tool. Sticks are also commonly used by children for play and can be found in nature, such as fallen branches.​

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A log, on the other hand, is larger and thicker than a stick. It usually requires both hands to lift, and is often used for things like building structures, fuel for a fire, or as a source of raw material for woodworking. Logs are typically cut from trees and are harvested for their wood, which can be used in a variety of ways.​

Overall, the main differences between a stick and a log are their size, thickness, and intended uses.​

How about a stick and a twig?

A stick and a twig are both thin pieces of wood, but there are some differences between the two.​

A twig is a small, thin branch or shoot of a tree or shrub. It is typically less than 1/2 inch (1.27 cm) in diameter and is usually found on the ground or still attached to a tree or shrub. Twigs are often flexible and bend easily, and they can be used by birds for building nests, by gardeners for propagating plants, or by children for playing games.​

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A stick, on the other hand, is generally thicker and longer than a twig. It can be a branch that has fallen off a tree or has been cut from a tree or it can be a piece of wood that is deliberately shaped for a particular use. Sticks can be used for many things, including as tools, weapons, or as fuel for fires.​

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In summary, while both sticks and twigs are thin pieces of wood, the main differences between them are their size, flexibility, and intended uses. Twigs are smaller and more flexible, while sticks are thicker, longer, and more rigid.​

What about a wire and a rod?

A wire and a rod are both commonly used in various applications, but they have some differences in their physical characteristics and intended uses.​

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A wire is a long, thin, and flexible metal strand. It is typically made of a single material, such as copper or steel, and is often used for transmitting electrical signals or power, or for holding or suspending objects. Wires can be coated or insulated for different applications, and are often used in electrical wiring, telecommunications, and construction.​

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A rod, on the other hand, is a long, straight, and rigid metal piece that is typically thicker than a wire. It is usually made of a single material, such as steel, aluminum, or brass, and can be round or square in shape. Rods are often used for construction, industrial machinery, and structural applications. They can also be used for decorative purposes, such as in architecture or metalworking.​

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Overall, the main differences between a wire and a rod are their thickness, flexibility, and intended uses. Wires are thin, flexible, and primarily used for transmitting electricity or holding objects, while rods are thicker, rigid, and primarily used for structural or industrial applications.​

But a copper bus bar is used to conduct electrical power, and it's thick and rigid.

You are correct that a copper bus bar is a thick and rigid metal component used for conducting electrical power. It is typically made of copper, but can also be made of aluminum, brass, or other materials.​

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While a bus bar is thicker and more rigid than a wire, it is still considered to be a type of wire due to its intended use as a conductor of electricity. A bus bar is designed to carry larger amounts of electrical current than a typical wire, and is used in electrical power distribution systems to connect electrical equipment, such as transformers, circuit breakers, and switchgear.​

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So, in summary, a bus bar is a type of wire, but it is thicker and more rigid than a typical wire, and is intended for higher current applications in electrical power distribution systems.​

So, it's called a bar, but is actually a wire, not a bar. Is that what you're saying?

I apologize for any confusion caused by my previous response. I may have oversimplified the distinction between a wire and a rod/bar, and in the case of a bus bar, the terminology can be a bit confusing.​

​

A bus bar is typically referred to as a "bar" due to its shape and appearance, as it is usually rectangular or square-shaped and thicker than a typical wire. However, it is also considered to be a type of wire because it is designed to conduct electrical current, similar to a wire.​

​

So, while a bus bar is technically a type of wire, it is often referred to as a "bar" due to its shape and intended use as a larger and more robust electrical conductor.​

So, returning to the wire/rod question, is there a general way to distinguish a rod and a bar? In other words, let's try to expand the original question to include wire, rod, and bar, then see if there is some general rule.

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