# Anybody try Scalekits.com?

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#### tnrocketman

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They seem to have some interesting scale designs. Wondered if anyone had built one, had some info on quality, buildability, etc.

#### NewEntity1

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I'm surprised there have not been any replies to this yet. As for me personally, I've not tried anything of that calabre yet...but surely someone out there has.

#### airwolfe1

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I have purchased a couple of these rocket kits and have been quite impressed with the quality. For the airframe, it seems like it is a LOC 54MM motor mount tube so it is quite rugged and durable. The nose cones are also thick walled and fit well, the fins are made of plywood and the chute is nylon. I think these kits will be the replacment for "The Launch Pad" kits that are no longer produced, but they are so much more rugged than those. I would certainly recommend purchasing these kits. I'm replacing the fins on my Sea Sparrow with G-10 and putting in a 38mm mount. Think it'll shred?

#### eugenefl

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Originally posted by airwolfe1
I think these kits will be the replacment for "The Launch Pad" kits that are no longer produced, but they are so much more rugged than those. I'm replacing the fins on my Sea Sparrow with G-10 and putting in a 38mm mount. Think it'll shred?
Untrue. TLP kits are being produced again!

I think you'll be alright with your mods. I personally plan on picking up a ScaleKits kit sometime. I think they look great and priced reasonably too!

#### airwolfe1

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When did they start producing them? Their web site had indicated for a long time that there was a medical issue and had stopped or scaled back and then in the last couple of months I noticed their web site was no longer up. I guess I just made an assumption that they were no longer producing them.

#### stevecarr

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If the Launch Pad kits are being produced, why haven't I recieved the ones I orderd back in April?

As far as Scale Kits I wish they had another payment option.

#### eugenefl

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Originally posted by airwolfe1
When did they start producing them?
Not sure on that one.

Here's a direct quote from <a href="http://www.redarrowhobbies.com">Red Arrow Hobbies</a> - "THE LAUNCH PAD MODEL AND MID POWER ROCKET KITS...Yup, that's right, The Launch Pad rockets are back!! More kits will be added as they become available. Keep checking back!"

Additionally, from <a href="http://www.performancehobbies.com">Performance Hobbies</a> - "ALL LAUNCH PAD KITS NOW IN STOCK!
New stock just in, every single Launch Pad kit is in stock and ready to ship"

If the Launch Pad kits are being produced, why haven't I recieved the ones I orderd back in April?
Steve, I have no idea what their internal sales procedures or controls are. My only suggestion would be to go with a reputable vendor that can guarantee their own inventory. Aside from the two mentioned above, I don't know who else has them in stock. Best of luck with the "lost in space" order.

#### fehskens

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>Anybody try Scalekits.com?

I've got an SA-2 Guideline and a Little John from them. Both very nice kits. Good value for the price. Haven't built them yet, but the instructions are good and they appear to make reasonable tradeoffs between buildability and oversimplification.

len.

#### Gus

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I've seen these kits at our local NAR meetings.

Appear to be very high quality.

#### tnrocketman

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I ordered the Phoenix kit.
I have cut the lower fins. My stiff hands can only do so much cutting a day. I am modifying the upper long fins with some thru the wall tabs so they will take me some time.

So far the component quality is good. Nice thick BT, NC, and MMT.

#### airwolfe1

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Yeah....the lack of thru the wall fin tabs to mount onto the MMT would be my only drawback with these kits. Just picked up an ALARM for a future rainy day project.

#### lalligood

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Originally posted by airwolfe1
Yeah....the lack of thru the wall fin tabs to mount onto the MMT would be my only drawback with these kits. Just picked up an ALARM for a future rainy day project.
Based on current (& future) Scale Kits reviews at EMRR seem to lament that the fins on their kits are not TTW So as long as you stay within the recommended motor range, they are very well designed/built kits.

HTH,

#### Hobbyman

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That quote from RED ARROW was back in Mar or so when they were sending out kits for a short time. Now their web site is down & the Distrubiters have had no shippments since April! I don't think there will be any more But some may have kits in stock for a time. Of course some may take the co over-one never knows on this co!
Chuck was very sick!

#### Stymye

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nice kits!
for that power range surface mount fins should do just fine.

but if TTW is a must have feature ,,no need to cut new fins, just glue a tab on, and the fillets will insure the joint is plenty strong.

#### bsexton

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I know for a fact that Chuck Barndt is alive and well and producing TLP kits. I don't know if he intends to revive his web site but he is shipping kits to at least one vendor I know - Performance Hobbies. I picked up a HARM AGM-88A a couple of weeks ago.

#### rebar_rocketry

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I have an order in right now (that I've had in since April) for 75 of the launch pad kits.

#### bsexton

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Originally posted by rebar_rocketry
I have an order in right now (that I've had in since April) for 75 of the launch pad kits.
Ken Allen of Performance Hobbies probably has a slight advantage over other vendors waiting for TLP kits - he just stops by Chuck's house and picks them up on his way to (or back from) launches.

#### stevecarr

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April 13 on my order from TLP.

#### Aron Sanford

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I still have the email address I had used once for Launch Pad & I sent a message today & it was returned to me that the add is not a good one. If he is still making kits, He has no email address I know of. A friend has an order in since Mar 04 & no kit or response to letters!
I wonder what is up?
Aron

#### lalligood

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nicholsg,

Welcome to TRF! We always love new members & especially ones that are vendors

I think that's great you are inspired by scale missiles but didn't want to directly compete with another vendor... There's plenty of room for everyone!

As far as the fins TTW construction issue goes, I'm sure you'll find varying opinions as to who wants them & if they would want the tube(s) pre-slotted or left up to the builder. (FWIW, I'm one of those folks that doesn't mind slotting tubes myself...but I don't have a problem with surface mounted fins either.) It's ultimately up to you as designer & vendor, to assemble, market, & sell kits are you have envisioned producing (which it certainly sounds like you have done!) So, if it ain't broke, why fix it

#### bsexton

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Welcome to TRF "nicholsg"! I haven't tried one of your kits yet but I will. I like scale rockets and I like mid-power. TTW fins are only necessary if the power and/or design warrants it IMO.

#### Stymye

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welcome Nicholsg !

I don't think your size kits "need" ttwf.
and I(personally) would preferr not to pay extra for that

now If a person wants to up-power a kit
than they should accept that ,cutting simple slots might be part of the process.

I mean,good grief- it's an easy task with a hobby knife.

#### tnrocketman

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Well, I am slowly building this Phoneix I bought. I have cut all the slots for the fins. I couldn't resist making the forward fins poke thru the wall for a couple of reasons:
1) when I built my SAAB model with similar long fins they had warped and I had a devil of a time getting them to lay straight on the marking line
2) I have seen lots of popped fins post painting and that is a pain to fix.

Anyway, the design came with a template for the rear fins to go to the MMT anyway, so of course I cut them that way. I also put the rear CR closer to the end of the MMT and added positive motor retention. Since there was not enough space for my standard T-nuts, I experimented with the brass threaded 6/32 fittings from Lowes. It was very tiresome trying to screw them in and I ended up with a loose fit that tended to work its way crooked. So I made a thin layer of epoxy to set them straight. Also, I didn't feel good about the 'loop of nylon epoxied on the inside surface' style of shock cord, so I drilled a hole thru the upper CR and passed a length of kevlar knotted on one end thru. I know, it is supposed to work just fine, I just had a bad experience with my first mid-power build of a LOC Graduator.

As I was cutting the slots for the 4th and final forward fin (BTW: I always number my fins and use that very fin to cut any slots-- this assures the slots match the fin that will use them perfectly and prevents my 'manufacturing irregularities' from leaving a loose fit or extra long gap), it was fitting kinda tight and SNAP! a triangular piece broke off in the slot (GRRR!). So it gets a repair before even being attached.

I like that the thick LOC style tubes are used and it comes std with a 29mm MMT-- I can always adapt down to 24mm easily.

That is where I stand right now.

#### arthur dent

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Very nice kits, i hope we'll be able to get them over here in the U.K.

#### rebar_rocketry

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I am now a dealer for scalekits, if anyone's interested in getting them at a discount

#### UncMikesRktShk

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I would like to say that I personally know Gary of scale kits and have seen ,built and flown several of his kits. I even wrote a Review for the BullPup on EMRR.

Bull Pup Review on EMRR

As far as the TTW fins go, these kits are more for mid-power E-G than HPR. the 1500 Feet I get on the Bull PuP is perfect for the small fields of SE Michigan. If you use GOOD epoxy fillets on your fins you will not have any trouble with them coming off.

Uncle Mike