Any decent white primer true lacquer in rattlecan format?

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  1. Aug 13, 2011 #1

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    Hi folks,

    This year I switched to using lacquer paints for most of my work (rattlecans from Duplicolor, the few Rusto and Valspar shades, and Lustrekote).

    I use Rusto auto filler primer (grey) which is clearly a lacquer. Then I use a white primer on top if I'm using a white or light color lacquer topcoat.

    The white primer I'm using --with considerable success-- is the Valspar white primer. But it definitely acts like an enamel, in that it remains sticky for a while, and doesn't sand great. I can topcoat it (with lacquer) at any time and it work, but if I want to smooth it down, it's not been a great choice.

    I'd like toget a white rattlecan true lacquer primer. Or, I'd settle for something premixed that I can put into a Preval disposable aerosol sprayer like I do with the Duplicolor premixed metallic clear coat I use.

    What are you all using out there?

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    This topic came up on YORF about a year ago, so here is the quick version:

    The best rattle-can primer:

    http://www.plastikote.com/products/Primer/Spot-Filler-and-Primer.html

    The close second best rattle-can primer:

    http://www.duplicolor.com/products/fillerPrimer/

    These are lacquer-based primers, so you can spray/shoot enamel over it. But generally speaking, lacquer-based paints are better for what we do than enamels. I know that these are not white primers, but your paint will perform better when there is a better primer. In finishing, your final product can only be as good as your last step.

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    I've not found a good white primer (i.e. dries fast, sands easily). However, I use either Duplicolor or Plastikote primers (gray), and they are both fast drying and sand easily. I then just use a white base coat over them, for light colors, or go straight to top coat color over the primer if using a darker color.

    I too like lacquer paint, and am especially fond of Rustoleum Lacquer spray. It is only available in white, red, and black, but I've found that they are compatible with the Model Masters and Testors mini cars of lacquer, so you have a good selection of colors if you want to go lacquer exclusively.

    I've not heard of Lustrekote, so I'll have to check those out.
     
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    Thanks folks. Good info. And, I've found excellent lacquer compatibility between Rusto / valspar / duplicolor auto / testors. I've done each on top of the other, with no compatibility problems.
     
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    Don`t forget the Duplicolor Color Match range of paint.They have some nice colors ,candy and metal flakes as well as some very nice metalics (gun metal ,graphite and many more)

    These are acrylic lacquers ,and spray really nice ,dry fast and hard.

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    I am on the hunt also . Found some DupliColor Sandable White Primer that looked right - sandable automotive ect . Used a couple of days ago and didn't like it at all - went on very light and sanded more like paint then primer . Tried some 'recoat anytime' Krylon and it is a little better, but that was hard to find and am not getting any build like the grey.

    Was going to try your Rusto Clean Metal next , and also looking for non-hobby size Lacquer Red in a spray can. Rusto and the rest have 'updated' their lacquer lines to black , white and a clear . Right now I only see the DupliColor Perfomance Red in the PaintShop System, which I have to shoot myself or the hobby style LustreKote MissileRed .

    The only reason I haven't tried the PaintShop is that I didn't want to buy the clear also, will be using some 'Finish' for the top coat because of decal concerns and thought it was redundant .

    Feedback is very welcome .


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    I have started using Kilz as a white primer lately. It is intended more for covering up stains on walls and floors, but it makes a good primer, and it covers a little better as a first coat.
     
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    Gee, I don't know, I have been using Valspar White Lacquer Primer lately (bought a can out of curiosity) and it seems to work fine. Like I do with any other primer, I give it 24-48 hours to dry thoroughly before I proceed with sanding or topcoating it, regardless of what the label says. With sufficient dry time, I haven't noticed any stickiness at all.

    I use a variety of primers on my rockets. The particular brand isn't that important, because most of them work equally well for me. Primer is primer. Lacquer-based, non-lacquer-based, it's all good.
     
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    Dupli-Color makes a sandable white primer. I've used it.

    http://duplicolor.com/products/sandablePrimer/
     
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    I've been using Plasikote primers - gray gap-filler for the first coats, then the white sandable primer. Both dry fast and sand really nice. The final wet sand on the white leaves a very smooth surface.

    CarQuest carries Plastikote here in Indy.
     
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    Avoid the Rusto Clean Metal primer if you are working with lacquers. I've had it wrinkle under them. It seems to be less of a primer and more of a matte finish white enamel.
     
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    Where do you get it, and could you please provide a product number so I can match up? I haven't seen any spray white primers from Valspar that indicates it's a lacquer product at my Lowes or other stores. Perhaps I'm looking at the wrong products...

    I would appreciate any help!

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    I agree with Mark:
    Valspar white primer I picked up at Lowes has worked just fine with the couple different Grey primers and most of the different paints as well. I'm not nearly as concerned about weather they are lacqure or emamel as along as I can test compatability.

    Lately I've been using a Walmart .60/can Grey auto "emamel" primer that has been working just fine under old formula Krylon, Rustoleum in just about all it's forms, Duplicolor, Colorworks and a few off brand color coats. If I need a white base coat I've been using Rustoleum flat white as a final single sandable base coat. Seems to work just fine with the above, over the Walmart primer. It's especially helpful under just about anyones Yellow color coat.
     
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    When I worked shop back in 2008-2010
    At a company called R&M Painting in ND we used the 5 gallon buckets of Valspar. We’d hit the boards with a 125% normal speed quick spray on the horses, turn the fans on them and when they were dry we would either use the back of sandpaper or piece of card board or a really worn sanding sponge, and hit them all till smooth then the next layer of lacquer is at about 50% speed when spraying to give it a nice thick final coat to give it that extra mm of protection for the wood plus it shines like Travolta’s hair in Saturday Night Fever
     
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    Holy necro-post Batman!

    Meanwhile I've moved to airbrush paints that are mostly water born, and still use Rusto auto filler primer, typically now on top of white Bullseye 123 sealer primer.
     
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    Marc:

    I am moving away from rattle can paint soon.. I have an air brush as I painted Lexan Car bodies in another hobby in the very long ago... What brand of air brush paint are you using? I am looking at Createx air brush paint it is a water base paint and they have a huge variety of colors to choose from.. I went to Hobby Lobby killing time this week and found this on their shelves.. I got to say it is pretty cool....

    Thanks Victor
     
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    I use the Createx brands like Wicked Colors, Auto Air, and Auto Borne.

    After finishing the filler primer etc. Stage I shoot a n airbrush coat of AutoAir Sealer White (or Dark). I use a cheap spray gun from harbor freight with the big 4 oz. cup.then for color coats I use a Master G69 mostly though I have detail airbrushes and a Paasch brushe too.
     
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    Why in the world would you use lacquers?
     
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    Marc:

    Thank You for the info.. I have the Harbor Freight touch up gun.. Didnt think about using that and I do have a small compressor that will handle the job...
    I do a lot of my winter painting in basement so moving to water base Createx will keep wife happy and cost down since Dupli Color went to $10,59 a can..

    Thanks Victor
     
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    Just remember a particle mask. Don't breathe the rainbow. Just because the solvent load of these paints is low, doesn't mean overspray is safe to breathe!
     
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    I can't stand working with enamels. Having to deal with recoat time issues, finicky drying cycles, and the vagaries of Indiana weather and humidity make them more trouble than they are worth for me. If I spray from a can it is almost always a lacquer, though getting harder to find. Most of my color coats are water based airbrush now.
     
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    I use the cheap bottles of acrylic paints watered down and sprayed through a touch up gun. Then a top coat of Pledge Revive, which is brushed on with a foam brush. It is self leveling and gives a nice durable finish.
     
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