# Another one bites the dust

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#### TNmike

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Scion no longer on Estes website...

Glad I got my Panavia a few days ago.

#### TNmike

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I am worried that are dicontinuing the Pro Series.
Yeah, I hope Estes ends up coming out with new ones. I would hate to see them discontinue the PSII series, but that is their choice if so. Other companies won't mind.

#### Nytrunner

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I guess that was the last of the 3" nosecones from estes.

Glad I got my leviathan replacement Scion bag sitting behind the couch already.

#### TNmike

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Estes is still listing some of the parts (nose cones, body tubes, couplers, etc., but no 3" NC) for the PSII rockets (https://www.estesrockets.com/rockets/accessories/pro-series-ii?p=1). One problem would be the non-standard size centering rings, but a person could work around that, especially if they have a machine shop.

I would like to see them come back with some PSIII's using standard size BT-70 and BT-80 tubes, which would open up a lot of possibilities, at least as far as their share of MPR's.

#### chrisudy

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I bought the PSII bundle a couple years ago when estes was blowing them out. I still have 2 Ventris, and one each of Leviathan, Partizon, and Argent unbuilt in storage.

#### TNmike

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I guess that was the last of the 3" nosecones from estes.

Glad I got my leviathan replacement Scion bag sitting behind the couch already.
Big Daddy is 3" OD and I presume has the same NC as the Scion.

#### dhbarr

##### Amateur Professional
Big Daddy is 3" OD and I presume has the same NC as the Scion.
Is that the same as Leviathan? I can confirm Big Daddy and Leviathan are identical NCs. Mercury / BMS Big School Rocket is a pretty decent substitute in a pinch.

#### Viking

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Is that the same as Leviathan?
Yep, same. The Scion also uses the Leviathan fins (that's why there were four in the kit)

#### Mr Rocket

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Yep, Down to only 3 Pro Series II Builder Kits left on the Estes website
• Nike Smoke
• Panavia
• Sahara
These rockets definitely filled a niche and price point that noone else has been able to touch. Maybe it was that price point that was their demise.

#### noffie79

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I have one of each of the PSII kits still in the bag. I think I may hang on to them. Glad I hadn't gotten around to building a couple of them.

#### HandsomeRob

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Anyone else notice the Star Orbiter is listed under the EX2 kits but is categorized as a Builders kit? I missed the boat on so many of these, I do hope they bring out more. Not all that into the EX2 kits....

#### TNmike

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That's interesting as the builder kits are not in retail packaging.....except for the Star Orbiter. Go figure.

#### dhbarr

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I do hope they do more like the star Orbiter, assuming they get their finwood problem sorted. Maybe start recommending papering?