# Alternate Binders

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#### Acaicia

##### Active Member
Haha but without Elon!
Ight now I'm confused are you trying to counter troll

Most excellent!
So swipe right ?

#### XrayLizard

##### Well-Known Member
Ight now I'm confused are you trying to counter troll
No, I am a Jim gaffigan Wanna-be

#### FredA

##### Well-Known Member
If you have all this help at SpaceX for your paperwork, how come nobody has told you about binders???

Looks like total BS to me - I'm out.

#### Acaicia

##### Active Member
If you have all this help at SpaceX for your paperwork, how come nobody has told you about binders???

Looks like total BS to me - I'm out.
I don't know if you've noticed, but SpaceX doesn't use SRBs. And I'm completely in the wrong section for that even if anyone DID know about alternative binders. I never said I have help for paperwork, it would be a favor from a friend I, unfortunately, got interviewed on the same day as. Long story.

Normally I'd offer to email you from my issued email but this post generated quite a bit of heat and I'd hate to get that leaked out and actually effect my job

#### G_T

Realize that what you are starting as a project is going to leak out. That will have your bosses and your legal department asking you some hard questions. What you are doing will be seen as potential competition with their main business line. Or worse, reflect badly on the company (PR) or quite possibly cause the company legal i$$ue. Other groups may have questions for you as well, depending. I must have skipped over the part earlier where manned flight was being discussed. I only paid attention to the motor part. My bad. Manned raises the stakes. Really, the motor is a long ways down the list of things you would have to solve. I typed a lot of stuff here over the last hour, but I've erased it. Skipping what I erased, I'll just give you the bottom line as I see it. Your group as it stands from what you have said and the questions you have asked - and not asked - doesn't know what it is getting into. And we don't know you or your group. Too much smells like trouble here. I think I'm going to the sideline. Sorry. Gerald #### Acaicia ##### Active Member Realize that what you are starting as a project is going to leak out. That will have your bosses and your legal department asking you some hard questions. What you are doing will be seen as potential competition with their main business line. Or worse, reflect badly on the company (PR) or quite possibly cause the company legal i$$ue\$. Other groups may have questions for you as well, depending.

I must have skipped over the part earlier where manned flight was being discussed. I only paid attention to the motor part. My bad. Manned raises the stakes. Really, the motor is a long ways down the list of things you would have to solve.

I typed a lot of stuff here over the last hour, but I've erased it.

Skipping what I erased, I'll just give you the bottom line as I see it. Your group as it stands from what you have said and the questions you have asked - and not asked - doesn't know what it is getting into. And we don't know you or your group.

Too much smells like trouble here. I think I'm going to the sideline. Sorry.

Gerald
I'll do my absolute best to separate myself from the company on this one. SpaceX doesn't officially sponsor or condone trying this at home.
I've got a few years of R&D ahead of me if I can even DREAM of an unmanned test, much less a manned launch. To even do an unmanned test of that scale I'd need insurance, a few thousand dollars of whatever legal fees, a solid year of making my case to various government bodies. I myself am prepared and I believe everyone on my team is too.

#### KC3KNM

##### Well-Known Member
I'll do my absolute best to separate myself from the company on this one. SpaceX doesn't officially sponsor or condone trying this at home.
I've got a few years of R&D ahead of me if I can even DREAM of an unmanned test, much less a manned launch. To even do an unmanned test of that scale I'd need insurance, a few thousand dollars of whatever legal fees, a solid year of making my case to various government bodies. I myself am prepared and I believe everyone on my team is too.
Is it "Dude, Acaicia " or "Dude Acaicia "?

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#### AeroTech

Earlier this year SpaceX asked us for a quote on some SRBs similar to what you are talking about. Never heard from them again.

I don't know if you've noticed, but SpaceX doesn't use SRBs. And I'm completely in the wrong section for that even if anyone DID know about alternative binders. I never said I have help for paperwork, it would be a favor from a friend I, unfortunately, got interviewed on the same day as. Long story.

Normally I'd offer to email you from my issued email but this post generated quite a bit of heat and I'd hate to get that leaked out and actually effect my job

#### mo2872

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Is it "Dude, Acaicia " or "Dude Acaicia "?
Maybe we should revise the line to, “The troll abides....”/sarc

#### Zeus-cat

##### Well-Known Member

1) "I don't want to tell you what my end goal is..."
2) "I can't afford to do the way you experts suggested, but as I have no experience I think this way will work better..."
3) "I came here for advice, not to be lectured..."

#### Cory

##### Well-Known Member
Earlier this year SpaceX asked us for a quote on some SRBs similar to what you are talking about. Never heard from them again.
Most interesting post in this thread...Would LOVE to see that quote!

#### Acaicia

##### Active Member
Earlier this year SpaceX asked us for a quote on some SRBs similar to what you are talking about. Never heard from them again.
Well damn guess I didn't hear about that. I'm reletively new but was there when that would have happened

#### Acaicia

##### Active Member

1) "I don't want to tell you what my end goal is..."
2) "I can't afford to do the way you experts suggested, but as I have no experience I think this way will work better..."
3) "I came here for advice, not to be lectured..."
Ohnono I can afford the way the experts suggest, and I explicitly said I'll use an actual binder when the time comes. I also said what my end goal is and got pretty much the exact response I expected

#### KilroySmith

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4. "I want to build a human-rated rocket on the cheap, so I'm asking hobbyists for advice because professionals cost too much".

Frankly, were I in the OP's shoes (and don't get me wrong, being involved in this kind of effort would be interesting, challenging, and exciting at a personal level, although scary. Very, very scary.), I'd take a trip to Utah and sit in the restaurants around ATK at lunchtime, hoping to bump into a propellant professional who is used to operating on this scale and would be willing to offer advice under the table for cheap.

Think of this from the OP's point of view - someone is willing to pay him to learn all about (very very) HPR. How many of us wouldn't jump at the opportunity to, over the next 2 or 3 years, have someone pay them to be involved in the building, launching, and blowing up of progressively larger and larger rockets? IMHO, the likelihood of anyone actually getting strapped to the top of what the OP wants to build is effectively 0, so the "fun factor" doesn't really need to be damped by the "kill someone" factor at this stage. It's just the grown-up version of what I sometimes tell kids - "Where else are you gonna have your parents hand you a chunk of black powder and tell you to go light it and see what happens?". Wouldn't you have loved to be part of the motley SpaceX crew trying to build the Falcon 1?

However, if I knew anything about mixing APCP, HTPB, or the various oxidizers (and I don't), I would back carefully away from this thread with the comment of "what you're trying to do is well outside my comfort zone, and I think you should find someone else to help you out, or we can discuss this over negotiations for a professional consulting contract".

Just my opinion.

#### 0011001100

##### A Person
My one problem with this whole thread is that he gets toting all his credentials yet his profile says he is 18 years old. A real SpaceX employee with a Top Secret clearance would NOT go bragging about it on a forum where he is talking about possibly doing illegal and extremely dangerous things.

I think everyone here has simply fallen for this troll and that this thread should be locked and maybe even deleted.

#### Acaicia

##### Active Member
My one problem with this whole thread is that he gets toting all his credentials yet his profile says he is 18 years old. A real SpaceX employee with a Top Secret clearance would NOT go bragging about it on a forum where he is talking about possibly doing illegal and extremely dangerous things.

I think everyone here has simply fallen for this troll and that this thread should be locked and maybe even deleted.
I random click on that age at this point. If I really wanted to stay on this forum I would have actually spent time and NOT typed a random word for my username.
And for the record, I only mentioned my credentials after someone said Mr. Book Writer was in the right. Once.

Actuallyyyy nothing of what I have done thus far is illegal and when I do it, it won't be. Yes, it's dangerous. Driving your car is too but we still do it with precautions. No trolling is happening here, and I got all the info I need. As far as I'm concerned this thread can be locked/deleted and I might even do that myself

#### Walter Longburn

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and I might even do that myself
You would have to have a moderator do it.

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#### jrap330

##### Retired Engineer, NAR # 76940
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And I'm currently employed by SpaceX as a mission design engineer. Credentials don't mean anything. What your post SHOULD have said instead of blatantly disrespect is "Yeah we actually have a forum that's relatively hard to find unless you've been here a while, it's the research part and here's the link to apply"

If anything, your credentials should mean you are professional, not disrespectful.
No your are wrong......we do not expect a "professional" or someone who is in the industry to go to a Hobby forum...expectations are...another kid or naïve adult is trying to do too much....which is why Model Rocketry was invented. If you are a professional ask your co-workers, and other professional for help.. And now i read you are a retired USAF mission specialist......then JUST plain naïve.

#### Acaicia

##### Active Member
You would have to have a moderator do it.
I don't know of any professional forums, usually, professionals hire people of which I can't do at the moment. Like I said earlier, I'm not really in the "department" for solid rocket experts of which I don't know we have any. I came here for people who SPECIFICALLY work with solid motors. Guess I was wrong to do so.

#### CoyoteNumber2

##### Original San Diego High Power Rocketry
Earlier this year SpaceX asked us for a quote on some SRBs similar to what you are talking about. Never heard from them again.
Can you say how big these SRBs were going to be?

#### timbucktoo

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Locked by request. Unless someone thinks this should remain open, contact a moderator.

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