- Jul 24, 2016
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The new loads are listed on Aerotech website, but still not showing up on any dealer pages. There is a New Blue Thunder, a Black Max, and a Redline. I’ve been checking every few days. I had hoped to get some at NSL last May but no luck due to testing delays.Any word on the 24/60 reloads? I know that one was certified at the same time as the F67. For that matter, how about any word on the Redline reload for the 29/40-120?
Both EconoMax F67 and EconoJet Fs are SU, use the exact same case and retail packaging, yet the F67 retails for 35% less! The econojet 2 packs have always been overpriced, lets hope theyre all brought down to the F67 price.F67's are single use actually.... and are economax vs econojet.... As a consummate cheapskate... either way there is nothing (quite frankly) "econo" about them!
Both EconoMax F67 and EconoJet Fs are SU, use the exact same case and retail packaging, yet the F67 retails for 35% less! The econojet 2 packs have always been overpriced, let’s hope they’re all brought down to the F67 price.
Prices only go up, never down.Both EconoMax F67 and EconoJet Fs are SU, use the exact same case and retail packaging, yet the F67 retails for 35% less! The econojet 2 packs have always been overpriced, let’s hope they’re all brought down to the F67 price.
In the next couple of days. I had hoped to have it done earlier this week, but work turned into a marathon this last week. Combine that with a badly pulled neck muscle ( think a feeling like whiplash) and motor files not at the top of the list.F67s came today... A day early. Now if only I could find the appropriate .eng or .rse file!
Did manage to trick one up using the graphic on the back of the package. I posted it Thursday in this thread... Perhaps not the best place and it's definitely not the most accurate! But it seems close enough to do ballpark simulations. Looking forward to a more accurate.curve!In the next couple of days. I had hoped to have it done earlier this week, but work turned into a marathon this last week. Combine that with a badly pulled neck muscle ( think a feeling like whiplash) and motor files not at the top of the list.
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Prices only go up, never down.
I learned that lesson along with the rest of us at AeroTech about 28 years ago.
AeroTech improved their production methods and was able to reduce the SRP of the motors $1-$3 each.
We put a full page ad in the hobby industry magazines announcing this development thinking the hobby distributors and retailers would like it.
They HATED it.
Many of them were sitting on older stock that they had bought at the earlier/higher prices.
They were screaming at us (AeroTech) about wanting compensation for the loss of $$$ this would cause or they would drop the product line.
When 80% of your customers threaten to drop your product line, you do what your customers want.
We mailed out additional motors for free to hobby distributors or gave them credit on future orders.
We (AeroTech) could've gone out of business.
We learned our lesson.
Lots of reasons for the huge percentage increase come to mind. Corporate liability insurance has skyrocketed since the turn of the century. Local, state and federal regulation compliance fees for companies have gone through the roof in recent years. Employee wages, cost of living increases, workmans comp., etc... have all impacted the bottom line of most companies across the US. so, it's either raise prices (and hope sales don't plummet) or close up shop. I vote for the former.
Yeah, sorry if I came off on the aggressive side, that was not my intent.Just say'in new F67's same total impulse as F20's same motor casings the way it looks, big difference in price, WHY?? You can even get a little over a full F the G74 for much less than the F20's. I did not bring up the difference first, just say'in again the Econojets used to be pretty reasonably priced at one time. That is the only reason I cared to elaborate on the subject a bit.
I haven't seen your post before you edited it, but you might have been right in the first place.The below info is for the wrong oring stated above...that's what I get for replying based on my memory..
That oring is used on 54mm motors that use the smaller 29/38mm nozzles (and special closure). Its not need on kits that use the "true" 54mm nozzles.
F67s?Man those F76's are really nice!
Pushed my WM Shape-Shifter Mini up FAST! Great sounding motor. Totally picking more up.
Did you use rail buttons on the Shifter Mini? Seemed to weather cock right off the pad.
Just had my second CATO of a 40-120 Hobbyline case (my only CATOs in ~50 composite reload flights in 18-38mm). In both cases, the forward closure blew out due to apparent thread failure (post CATO, the threads on the forward closure are notably shiny, i.e. they have been scraped off to at least past the depth of the anodizing). Motors blew out just after coming to pressure, still on the rail. The rear closure and nozzle held, actually blowing out the back of the rocket and taking the Estes plastic retainer with it.
Sadly, both cases were outside the warranty so I'm kind of hosed on that end. Anybody else had similar failures with this casing? Seems like the thin wall (and thus shallow threading) of the case might be a marginal design (if anything, you'd think the plastic nozzle would go first in a true overpressure)? Which would be a shame, because I love the reloads - not a huge variety but inexpensive and great for the Estes PSII line.
It's difficult to compare pricing with brand L because his reloads reuse a nozzle whereas we include one with each reload. Also, you will have to add $33 to their J to cover the haz.As others stated, J520W is the new addition to the non-Hazmat list. Alas, it's also on the "I can't order it anywhere" list.
I just placed an order for 2 out of 3.
The best part is that non-HZMT H130W (210 Ns) is roughly the same impulse but cheaper than the equivalent H-motor from the other non-HZMT motor supplier.
I180W (326 Ns) is cheaper, but way less thrusty than I201-LR.
J520W (731 Ns) is, unfortunately, both more expensive and less thrusty than J528-LW.
Charles, can you do something about the list pricing ?
Charles,Certified and available for purchase.
Question: This morning while perusing the Net I found a reference to a RMS 38/120-360 hardware set. Does/Did this really exist?
I just got my warranty 29/40-120 from AT yesterday along with the warranty replacement reload, great service even if it did take 3 months, Karl was upfront about the whole process.