# AeroTech Offers Prize For Fastest RMS Assembly Video

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#### TD Sky

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...Who is your dealer? When did he place his order?
Those details don't really matter. I will spare the public forum from what I learned as I was kindly informed by my AT dealer how frustrated he was about trying to fill AT orders. That is all I will say. I eventually got my all my reloads in about 3 weeks after the dealer gave up waiting for his back-ordered items and simply shuffled inventory with another dealer.

#### Pantherjon

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Seems no one is taking him up seriously on his challenge. so here is my entry.

1:38

I also e-mailed aerotech with this entry, I'd love to hear back confirming that it was received.
Good job on the video! Got lucky in he didn't have to peel a layer off the delay assembly to get it in the liner! I find I have to do that a lot of times..

#### bguffer

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Assemble per instructions. You can grease the o-rings simultaneously. Forward delay spacer (rubber washer) does not need grease. If something is mentioned as a suggestion (like greasing the liner), it is not required.
Here is my submission from 2009-06-13:
I believe these are the instructions: https://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/c...HP-RMS_Instructions/29mm/29_180t_in_20055.pdf
If you listen carefully, you can hear me mumble which reload i am building, and what i am doing at certain steps.

Bob

#### bguffer

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well it has been e-mailed again..

Please tell me that you got it.

I also sent the link in a private message.

I am posing it again here. consider this my official entry. for everyone to see..

Please note this entry was made on june 30th before close of the day. so it should be a good entry... even if Aerotech says they never got it
Which reload is this? I am unfamiliar with any 29/180 reloads which do not place a 1" O.D. fiber washer oring in the aft end of the motor. Browsing through the online Aerotech instructions, i could not find a 29/180 motor that is built without a 1" O.D. fiber washer oring placed into the aft end of the motor. Not certain the online instructions cover all 29/180 motors though.

Additionally, the Aerotech instructions usually/always refer to cutting a vent hole in the nozzle cap, and greasing the threads.

Bob

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#### rocketgirlinca

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I picked up the nozzle and washer at the same time.
Look in the video there are NO PARTS LEFT OVER.

you didnt vent the plastic cap either. what say we add 1 second to each of our times to make up for that.

Gary Are you going to announce the winner before you leave for LDRS or are you going to leave us hanging too?
By other posts It sounds like thats been happening to lots of people

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#### bguffer

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Or you might have accidentally picked up both fiber washers at the same time (very easy if they are somewhat stuck together) and placed them both in the forward closure. Or you could have accidentally left the second one in between the sheets of the paper/instructions. Or it could have fallen to the floor. I have looked hard at that video, and thought of both nozzle and washer being picked up at the same time. I do not see that happening. I never see the second fiber washer in the video. I do see all other components though.

At 1:53 i cut the vent hole. Probably just a little earlier in the video then you expect.

Gary has made it very clear that "the winner will be announced at LDRS-28 in Potter, NY during the dinner banquet on July 4th".

#### rocketgirlinca

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Well the motor fired fine. Ao I would say it was put together right.

I'd also be happy to go up against you head to head any time. I beat your time by about 1 min. not just a few seconds... 60 of them.

The threads on my cases are always greased. I store them that way. When two pieces of aluminum sit together they tend to Gall when you try and take them apart. unless you grease them. so there was grease on the threads.

are you going to complain about the masking tape I used instead of the piece of junk paper disk supplied to cover the ejection charge?
sounds like we have the starts of another Aerotech pi.....ing match.

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#### rocketgirlinca

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more like :y:

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#### Chrisn

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more like :y:

Warning graphic special effects... rated PG13
But it has to be 10

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#### RangerStl

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What Chris is sarcastically trying to convey is the fact that TRF is actively moderated for content. Vulgarity, explicit images, antagonistic and confrontational behavior, etc., etc., are not permitted per our terms of use.

Review of the guidelines will show where the 10 year-old reference comes from.

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#### bguffer

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I picked up the nozzle and washer at the same time.
Look in the video there are NO PARTS LEFT OVER.

you didnt vent the plastic cap either. what say we add 1 second to each of our times to make up for that.

Gary Are you going to announce the winner before you leave for LDRS or are you going to leave us hanging too?
By other posts It sounds like thats been happening to lots of people
Is the moderater able/willing to share the original, unedited post made at 12:29 eastern time? A fellow rocketeer read this post at around 12:35 and swears that the first two lines of this post were initially to the effect of (paraphrasing): 'There was only one fiber washer in the reload kit. I will email Gary At Aerotech to see if there should have been 2 fiber washers.'

If true, the original unedited post (12:29) would directly conflict with the current version (12:42) of the post.

Thanks,

Bob

#### rocketgirlinca

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Is the moderater able/willing to share the original, unedited post made at 12:29 eastern time? A fellow rocketeer read this post at around 12:35 and swears that the first two lines of this post were initially to the effect of (paraphrasing): 'There was only one fiber washer in the reload kit. I will email Gary At Aerotech to see if there should have been 2 fiber washers.'

If true, the original unedited post (12:29) would directly conflict with the current version (12:42) of the post.

Thanks,

Bob
what does it matter, if there was only one fiber disk then the reload was made wrong from Aerotech. should I have waited for a warranty piece to be sent to me and add it to the time to build the reload?

Do you think it would have taken me an extra min. if there had been two fiber washers? I think maybe 1 or 2 seconds more. I still beat your time.. buy 59 seconds

lets make this easy .. you and me. two of the exact same reloads. face to face at the same time. period. if you are up to it, we each put $500.00 of our own money on the table and winner takes all. ARE YOU UP TO IT? thats a challenge by the way lets face it Aerotech probably wont pay up. from what I have heardhe already owes a bunch of vendors and private parties money, and owes even more people product. He had to cut back all of his employees from full time to part time because he could not pay them. this is a fact. i also heard he was buying AP from China because it was cheaper. and it was not quite up to snuff, but he used it anyways. It burned at a faster rate than it was supposed to and it caused delay times and burn times on many motors especially redlines to be short. Sounds like the truth to me, I have seen a bunch of them like that myself in the last few months. I have heard, He is in the process of trying to get a second or a loan on his building. why? I don't know, but I'm sure its because he does not have the money to keep Aerotech running. Remember this is just my opinion. based on what I have heard. It may all be true it may not... I suggest you ask your local vendor about it. thats were I heard alot of this from. they might have a different story. again they may tell you the same thing. Last edited: #### bguffer ##### Well-Known Member what does it matter, if there was only one fiber disk then the reload was made wrong from Aerotech. should I have waited for a warranty piece to be sent to me and add it to the time to build the reload? Credibility, integrity, honesty. Matters to me. Might matter to other posters here. Might matter to Aerotech too. #### rocketgirlinca ##### Member What are you saying I cheated? Are you saying I am lying? Does this mean you dont accept my challenge? I put every piece that came in the reload into the motor. It flew fine. I beat your time fair and square. live with it. or take me up on my offer and prove me wrong. Integrity is what I was talking about in the rest of my post. we will find out in a few days who is honest, and who has integrity. Last edited: #### bguffer ##### Well-Known Member See my post at 6:56 eastern time. Someone suggests you changed your story, from the reload containing 1 to 2 fiber washers. You have yet to deny that allegation. That is what i mean by credibility. For the record, how many fiber washer seal discs did you place into the motor? Which reload did you build? #### rocketgirlinca ##### Member H165R I put everything that was in the package in the motor. The motor has been fired, with no problems or failures. Now 3rd time. do you accept my challenge? that clear up any questions. #### bguffer ##### Well-Known Member How many fiber washers did you place into the motor? #### rocketgirlinca ##### Member do you accept my challenge? #### bguffer ##### Well-Known Member How many fiber washers did you place into the motor? Bob #### bguffer ##### Well-Known Member Rocketgirlinca: Are you a guy are a girl? Someone has suggested you are a guy, which is fine. Your user name may be whatever you like your username to be. At about 1:20, it appears like we see a guys chest. Again any username is fine, but this possibly gives people a false impression of your identity. I notice that your first post to this forum was to add your entry to the "AeroTech Offers Prize For Fastest RMS Assembly Video " . Much more importantly: 1) Click on the link to the youtube video. 2) Note that the description for the video states: metalwizard23 June 30, 2009 This is me assembling an Aerotech 29/180 reload in 1:38 seconds for the Aerotech challenge. 3) Click on metalwizard23. 4) Note the following information is displayed: Name: mark Age: 44 im a full time rocket scientist, I love heavy metal, fast bikes (i ride a 2006 R1) anything that flys, tattoos and guns, big guns... City: hurricane utah Hometown: so cal Occupation: rocket scientist Companies: Aerotech consumer aerospace Website: https://metalwizard.wetpaint.com/ 5) Specifically note that Companies lists AEROTECH CONSUMER AEROSPACE. All of the above supports that a man, Mark, submitted the entry for the Aerotech challenge. The 25th March 2009, 11:38 PM post at https://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?t=1928&highlight=metalwizard leads one to believe you are Mark Hayes, and corroborates that you likely at one time, and possibly currently, work(ed) at Aerotech. I actually have exchanged emails with a person using the mhayes@aerotech-rocketry.com email account, which corroborates that Mark Hayes did in fact at one time, and possibly currently, work(ed) at Aerotech. From the first post of this thread, authored by Gary: "AeroTech employees and dealers are not eligible." How many fiber washers did you place into the motor? Bob P.S. Thanks to those whom have pm'd and emailed me. You know who you are. #### bguffer ##### Well-Known Member Trying to attach screenshots of the youtube account containing the video. #### Chrisn ##### Well-Known Member I had the same feeling, didnt think I was the first to notice so didnt bother saying anything. All that effort this rocket girl went through only to forgot to make a new youtube account! #### dlb ##### Sky Pyrate... Ten paces turn and build a motor :bangbang: I think this thread got Highjacked :bangpan: #### shreadvector ##### Well-Known Member #### MarkH ##### --- deleted. Last edited: #### rocketgirlinca ##### Member does it matter who is who, or what account anyone uses or what gender they are or where the came from or whos account a video is posted on? were they live were they work, who they are sleeping with, what kind of shoes they wear? do they prefer coke or pepsi, how old they are ? bottom line is I beat you. I posted a video of me assembling a motor. I used everything in the kit. there was nothing left over. the motor flew in my rocket without a hitch. Accept my entry or dont. either way i was faster. I know how fast I can build a reload. you saw the video. my challenge still stands. If you think you are better than me, lets do it. put your money on the table. and may the best person win. Aerotech can decide to pay whomever they want to. no one is going to make that decision but them. I am no longer associated with Aerotech in any way by my choice. I put my reload together fastest. that was the challenge. if you dont like my entry I really don't care. I know I beat you. I know I submitted the fastest time. I won. bguffer If you are faster than me put your money where your mouth is. If you dont believe you are faster then shut up. good bye. Last edited: #### shreadvector ##### Well-Known Member Clearly there is no prohibition against family members of Aerotech employees. What's the big deal? :confused2: AeroTech/RCS will provide a$500 AeroTech gift certificate to the individual who produces a video that demonstrates the fastest assembly of an AeroTech, Dr. Rocket or Rouse-Tech RMS-29/180 motor hardware with an AeroTech RMS-29/180 reload of their choice.

The video must show unpacking the reload, complete motor assembly and igniter installation. Videos must be posted to YouTube for public viewing, and links to the videos must be sent to customerservice@aerotech-rocketry.com.

Deadline for entries is June 30, 2009, and the winner will be announced at LDRS-28 in Potter, NY during the dinner banquet on July 4th.

AeroTech employees and dealers are not eligible.

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