Different rifles.. different histories... some collectors will want ALL the versions from ALL the armories.I've always wanted one of these- but the process put me off. For the effort, why not just drop the coin and get an M1A?
The M1 and M1A are two fairly different rifles even though they share some parts and similar looks. The M1 Garand uses an 8 round enblock clip and uses the 30-06 cartridge. The M1A is the civilian version of the M14 full auto rifle using the 7.62×51 Nato cartridge (aka .308 Winchester) and a removable box magazine.I've always wanted one of these- but the process put me off. For the effort, why not just drop the coin and get an M1A?
I shot one an had the clip land on my forehead.Besides the sound the enblock clip makes as its ejected once empty is immediately recognizable.
The sound of the empty clip ejecting and bouncing was so distinctive that it was a signal for the enemy to charge while the GI's were reloading. So the GI's would toss an empty clip to fool the enemy into charging while they still had loaded rifles. Loading the enblock clips could result in "M1 thumb" which is pretty darn painful when the bolt slams closed on your thumb. The clips were loaded from the top of the action into a blind mag well, sort of similar to an SKS.I shot one an had the clip land on my forehead.
I remember hearing that they carried an empty clip - tossed it to make the enemy think they were reloading . . .
Different rifles.. different histories... some collectors will want ALL the versions from ALL the armories.
Well yea... to a collector very different but to me, functionally similar.The M1 and M1A are two fairly different rifles even though they share some parts and similar looks. The M1 Garand uses an 8 round enblock clip and uses the 30-06 cartridge. The M1A is the civilian version of the M14 full auto rifle using the 7.62×51 Nato cartridge (aka .308 Winchester) and a removable box magazine.
Besides the sound the enblock clip makes as its ejected once empty is immediately recognizable.
Edit: The enemy hearing the ping may or may not be urban legend and is fairly well debated, the source may well have been a History Channel documentary.The sound of the empty clip ejecting and bouncing was so distinctive that it was a signal for the enemy to charge while the GI's were reloading. So the GI's would toss an empty clip to fool the enemy into charging while they still had loaded rifles. Loading the enblock clips could result in "M1 thumb" which is pretty darn painful when the bolt slams closed on your thumb. The clips were loaded from the top of the action into a blind mag well, sort of similar to an SKS.
This makes sense, but isn't the case. It's not just the volume of the sound, but the frequency. I've been at our most popular outdoor range when there's a wait for tables. I believe there are 80-100 tables, and everyone seems to be shooting something different. It may not be the cacophony of battle, but when a Garand at the other end goes empty, I can pick up on the sound.Consider the fact that to hear the PING of the clip it has to be louder than the muzzle blast that is in front of it.
Maybe your buddy right next to you could hear it, but I highly doubt the enemy could.
Would have to be in a close combat situation to be true - like taking a building, etc. It landing in the dirt won't make much noise either.I don't ever remember seeing anything about the clip on the History Channel.
Them are the kind of shows I watch.
I can't imagine in a battle the enemy actually hearing a PING of a clip over mortars, rifle fire, explosions, yelling and screaming wounded.
Consider the fact that to hear the PING of the clip it has to be louder than the muzzle blast that is in front of it.
Maybe your buddy right next to you could hear it, but I highly doubt the enemy could.
The pings I have heard were from the clip being ejected from the rifle, they can but don't always make noise when landing.Would have to be in a close combat situation to be true - like taking a building, etc. It landing in the dirt won't make much noise either.
Gotcha. Was several probably 10 years ago that I shot one, so I don't remember when the noise was made. I think we standing were in grass now that I think about it, so that makes sense.The pings I have heard were from the clip being ejected from the rifle, they can but don't always make noise when landing.
Shot one once and I remember immediately loving the Garand. I will get one when available!
Per the "don't shoot modern 30-06 ammo through it" comment above, why exactly? Have specs changed over time?
There are special Hornady loads for the M1 or if you reload there are special loads recipes for the M1. As Dave said its the pressure curve, too much pressure too fast and you bend the operating rod. You want a slower burning powder like IMR4895.Shot one once and I remember immediately loving the Garand. I will get one when available!
Per the "don't shoot modern 30-06 ammo through it" comment above, why exactly? Have specs changed over time?
Sacrilege! You can go to hell for this.The gun can be modified for current ammo
That is not true. What is true is there bullet weight. Stay is the 147-150 Grain range. This is the weight of 30-06 ball ammo, which the Garand was designed for. It is a matter of velocity, and the timing of the gas hitting the gas port.Shot one once and I remember immediately loving the Garand. I will get one when available!
Per the "don't shoot modern 30-06 ammo through it" comment above, why exactly? Have specs changed over time?
Do not mod these. It is one thing to put new springs in etc to get them to spec, but modify. Evil.Sacrilege! You can go to hell for this.
OK, calm down everyone. I generally agree that a Garand should not be permanently modified. But you also should not shoot modern ammo through them as the pressures are higher and can damage the rifle. The solution is simple:Do not mod these. It is one thing to put new springs in etc to get them to spec, but modify. Evil.
LOL. that ticket has been bought alreadySacrilege! You can go to hell for this.
I am not for modding them, but if you buy one it is yours to do with as you will. The Evil part was meant as sarcasm.OK, calm down everyone. I generally agree that a Garand should not be permanently modified. But you also should not shoot modern ammo through them as the pressures are higher and can damage the rifle. The solution is simple:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/77...s-plug-with-wrench-m1-garand-steel-parkerized
Allows for a non-permanent modification that allows the owner to shoot a variety of ammo. Much better than damaging the rifle.
I bought a bunch of the Greek surplus ammo that was loaded in en bloc clips and then those were in bandoleers. My UPS guy hated me for having to haul all those heavy boxes up in the Texas heat. The surplus ammo that is currently available is still Greek but loose in ammo cans. I have a fair amount of that as well. The price has gone up considerably from when I last bought some ($98 for 200 rounds in 2012 vs $160 today) but it's still a good deal. However the rounds should be inspected as some may show signs of corrosion.
Of course if you buy a Garand, you need a Mil-Spec GI Model 1911 to go with it.
http://www.personaldefenseworld.com...rican-tactical-firepower-xtreme-military-1911
Not all of those listed are still available but several are.
Tony
It is a lovely pistol.Mark, I hate you. The V16 is on my very short list...