5100 feet - from a baseball field

[mo2872]

You saying a person can launch a rocket 5000 feet up with no regards to air traffic? If so, then I’m wrong.

Stop being obtuse.

 

[CalebJ]

Stop being obtuse.

Obtuse? He asked a question and is learning something. What's the problem?

 

[Honest John]

Help a brother out here, what was illegal about his launch? Because unless I'm missing something, I'm not seeing the issue with the flight. Heck, I'm more offended by the slo-mo video than I am the claimed flight log.

 

[PayLoad]

A Møøse once bit my sister...

 

[Buckeye]

Did this flight include a tracker? Did you have sight of it for the entire flight? Did you see it land on the 3rd base line? (I don't think I could follow a small, black rocket to one mile in overcast skies with the naked eye.)

The JLCR is cool and all, but a tiny rocket like that is still going drift a ways even in mild winds before the JLCR releases the chute. That it still landed in the baseball field is pretty amazing.

 

[PayLoad]

Did this flight include a tracker? Did you have sight of it for the entire flight? Did you see it land on the 3rd base line? (I don't think I could follow a small, black rocket to one mile in overcast skies with the naked eye.)

The JLCR is cool and all, but a tiny rocket like that is still going drift a ways even in mild winds before the JLCR releases the chute. That it still landed in the baseball field is pretty amazing.

I could NOT see the rocket for most of the flight. Saw it on the way down at maybe 2000 feet? The only reason for this post was I thought it was pretty cool that it landed in the same baseball field.

 

[tim cubbedge]

I could NOT see the rocket for most of the flight. Saw it on the way down at maybe 2000 feet? The only reason for this post was I thought it was pretty cool that it landed in the same baseball field.

 

[boatgeek]

I could NOT see the rocket for most of the flight. Saw it on the way down at maybe 2000 feet? The only reason for this post was I thought it was pretty cool that it landed in the same baseball field.

No good deed goes unpunished. Also +1 on the JLCR.

 

[Flyfalcons]

You saying a person can launch a rocket 5000 feet up with no regards to air traffic? If so, then I’m wrong.

The requirement for a waiver is not dependant on altitude achieved.

 

[PayLoad]

Are you incapable of having a disagreement without getting all bent out of shape? Grow up and, no, I’m not your dad.

I'm 56 years old. I have what I consider to be an awesome job that allows me to be online much of the time. I learned a LONG time ago that there is no bigger waste of time, no larger waste of my brainpower, than to get into a disagreement with someone on the internet. I watch with humor as this post to say "thanks" to JL went totally pear shaped.

But am I going to engage? Hell no. I'd rather go to one of my wife's flower shows, and anyone who has ever been to a flower show knows that is saying a lot.

Bent out of shape? Not at all. Just have better things to do than argue about facts I already know.

 

[beeblebrox]

That was the fly away rail guide at the end of the video - I'm still learning on video editing. The rocket landed at the end of 3rd base line.


The rocket is a scratch-built 38mm booster I use for testing electronics. I just threw a cone on it & flew it on a G80-13, my go-to motor

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Nice, I need one of those fly away jobs... Try a lower thrust, longer burn motor for even more altitude!

 

[PayLoad]

I love low thrust, long burn. I had a bunch of G125s as well, but used them up & won't replace because the G80 ALWAYS out-performs it.

 

[cerving]

Flyaway rail guides are great for longburn motors... not so good for high-thrust motors like VMax or Super Thunder. I've destroyed a few of them while trying it... if you really need to streamline your rocket, nothing beats using a tower.

 

[3stoogesrocketry]

Wrong

You saying a person can launch a rocket 5000 feet up with no regards to air traffic? If so, then I’m wrong.

No . You can launch a rocket to 10,000 feet plus , as long as it weight less then 3.3 pounds loaded , and has less the 125 grams of fuel.

 

[Walter Longburn]

No . You can launch a rocket to 10,000 feet plus , as long as it weight less then 3.3 pounds loaded , and has less the 125 grams of fuel.

And the best motor for that is probably the H13.

 

[cerving]

No . You can launch a rocket to 10,000 feet plus , as long as it weight less then 3.3 pounds loaded , and has less the 125 grams of fuel.

IF you don't pose a hazard to air traffic... so where the baseball field is located makes a difference.

 

[3stoogesrocketry]

IF you don't pose a hazard to air traffic... so where the baseball field is located makes a difference.

True , but even with NOTAMS in place , there are alot of ignorant people in this world

 

[Orien]

Are you incapable of having a disagreement without getting all bent out of shape? Grow up and, no, I’m not your dad.

Dude posts a launch vid, then you come out and say he's a liar and a criminal. I wouldn't call that a discussion.

 

[AtomicStorm]

Man these guys are savage on here lol. so i use an app that tracks all air traffic in the area and i also use my eyes, seems to work 100% of the time. Nice launch and recovery, i think these guys are just jelly.

 

[tjkopena]

i use an app that tracks all air traffic in the area

What app?

 

[AtomicStorm]

Flightradar24 flight tracker

 

[Funkworks]

As for legality, I certainly did not break any rules, as the rocket landed in the launching field.

Could someone please explain this to me.

 

[3stoogesrocketry]

Could someone please explain this to me.

How may we assist ? The rocket was well under the 3.3 lb and 125 gram limit . Does it matter if it lands on the same field , absolutely not . Payload was simply saying it was a great flight and it landed on the same " field " although that looks like a loose term.

 

[Arsenal78]

Seems like a few of the people in this thread are jealous he accomplished what he did while they're just couch potatoes and keyboard warriors. There is nothing illegal about flying a G80 in a rocket weighing less than 3.3lbs. Waivers and altitude have 0 effect on low/midpower launches.

True , but even with NOTAMS in place , there are alot of ignorant people in this world

Every time we have a high power launch with a NOTAM in place, we still get idiot pilots that think they're above everyone else and fly literally over the area. It's almost pointless to even have one.

 

[rcktnut]

Every time we have a high power launch with a NOTAM in place, we still get idiot pilots that think they're above everyone else and fly literally over the area. It's almost pointless to even have one.

I think NOTAMS attract small private planes. We always joke about it though, no harsh feelings against them, they still have the right-of -way. That's why it's ears and eyes to the skies before pushing the launch button.

 

[Woody's Workshop]

I really don't care about the number's personally.
I do take interest in the ability of the JL Chute Release!
5100 or 4100 feet, getting it back that close to the pad is awesome!

 

[Funkworks]

How may we assist ? The rocket was well under the 3.3 lb and 125 gram limit . Does it matter if it lands on the same field , absolutely not . Payload was simply saying it was a great flight and it landed on the same " field " although that looks like a loose term.

According to what I know:

Installed Total Impulse (N-sec)	Equivalent Motor Type	Minimum Site Dimensions (ft.)

80.01–160.00

G

1,000

"https://www.nar.org/safety-information/model-rocket-safety-code/#sitedimensions"

But the baseball fields I know of aren't 1000 feet wide. So I things I don't understand are:

• whether that particular baseball field was in fact 1000 ft x1000 ft (part of a bigger, non-baseball field),
• whether "legally" means according to the code, or according to some actual law,
• how the (NAR, Tripoli, etc.) Codes relates to the actual law.

Other things I might be missing:

• Was this a stroke of luck that happened to be "legal"?
• What guided the rocket back to the field?
• How the launch direction was chosen?
• Are Code guidelines different wiith a Jolly Logic Chute Release?
• Maybe Code guidelines should be different?
• Are the Codes different with a JLCR?
• Can I legally launch from a smaller field if I get myself a JLCR?
• Would a RSO let me launch from a smaller field if I got myself a JLCR?
• Wouldn't it be easier for a club to find a field if everyone at the club had a JLCR?

Because if I can launch a G motor from a baseball field without anyone complaining about it, I would like to know how.

 

[Funkworks]

Basically, I'm wondering how big was the field, beyond the baseball part. Because just saying "baseball field" with a G motor, makes it sound like the launch was against the Codes.

 

[3stoogesrocketry]

How many non organized ( TRA , NAR , CAR ) flyers follow the 1000 foot by 1000 foot rule for a G motor they can buy off line ?

Remember in the end our organizations write guidelines , not laws like the ATF .

My last comment on this subject. No laws were broken . As long as your baseball field or sports field allows you to fly on their property , and your county knows the difference between a model rocket and a fire work , yes you can fly "H" class motors.

 

[TheBru]

I think one thing to call out is that NAR and Tripoli are effectively insurance organizations as best I can tell. They have rules and dues that cover premiums. They aren’t required by any law I’ve found to purchase a motor or to fly them. Nothing in the CFR mentions either organization and I’m guessing you would be hard pressed to find them in local explosive / rocket ordinances.