49er's Clean house!! (Fired everyone)

[Sailorbill]

Karma or not, everyone has a constitutional right to protest.

It is the Soldier, not the minister, who has given us freedom of religion.
It is the Soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the Soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us freedom to protest.
It is the Soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is the Soldier, not the politician, who has given us the right to vote.
It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,
Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who allows the protester to burn the flag.

Charles Province

+1 on this.
After serving nearly 27 years in the U.S. Navy I will say Did i like what he did? No
Did I support his right to do it? Again yes.
Did Karma come into play I don't know but his performance has been falling off for some time.

 

[TALON]

Kaepernick has been indoctrinated by his radical girlfriend. I do not like that he kneels during the American National Anthem. But I would want anyone to stop him, because it IS his RIGHT. But we all have freedom of speech, & I can say he is wrong a call him any disgusting thing I want.*
I think he is believing too much what the lame stream media is pushing, IE: hands up don't shoot"! A fake news story.
But what shows Kaepernick to be a fool is #1 he never registered to vote!*
#2 he wears a Fidel Castro shirt! He complaining about oppression yet honors an dictator! Typical socialist double standard.*

 

[georgegassaway]

Since the political crap continues but everybody is dancing around the REAL ISSUE, or playing lip-service:

THIS is the kind of stuff he was protesting about.

[video=youtube;fdnlYDVFobM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdnlYDVFobM[/video]

It KEEPS ON HAPPENING.

Mods, if you "whitewash" and delete my post , you have to delete every political post too. Which under TRF rules (NO POLITICS) , is well overdue anyway.

 

[georgegassaway]

NO USE OF PROFANITY HERE PLEASE.

PLEASE PROVE YOU REALLY MEAN IT, BY COMPLAINING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS 20 THREADS YOU DIDN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT BEFORE, FOR USING THAT SAME SPECIFIC TERM, PLEASE. See this search:

https://www.rocketryforum.com/search.php?searchid=5197876

Yeah, I didn't think so.

I'd be fine with no profanity.....prefer it really. But not one-sided.

The flippant SELECTIVE complaint by you about a term that unfortunately is too-commonly used here was such bull.....

 

[degreaser]

Somewhat dated but these are the stats as of July of last year.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-08/breakdown-us-citizens-killed-cops-2016


And more info on black on black crime. Kappy really needs to address this too:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/7441/7-statistics-you-need-know-about-black-black-crime-aaron-bandler

And in Chicago. Ugly statistics. There's a real problem there and it's not the cops.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/chicagos-control-violence-produces-762-homicides-2016/story?id=44402951

More on Chicago, surprise - Drugs! Dig a little deeper and it gets really scary.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/...-chicago-fueled-by-sinaloa-cartel-heroin.html

And I too heard that it was Kappy's newly found girlfriend that sent him off the deep end. If he really gave a darn about black lives, he would deal with black on black crime. Then I'd be more willing to listen to him.

https://thegrio.com/2016/09/03/did-...nd-inspire-his-support-of-black-lives-matter/

And w/r to the utube video, there's always another side to the story.

https://bearingarms.com/jenn-j/2016...ng-investigation-uncovers-explosive-evidence/

 

[cherokeej]

PLEASE PROVE YOU REALLY MEAN IT, BY COMPLAINING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS 20 THREADS YOU DIDN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT BEFORE, FOR USING THAT SAME SPECIFIC TERM, PLEASE. See this search:

https://www.rocketryforum.com/search.php?searchid=5197876

Yeah, I didn't think so.

I'd be fine with no profanity.....prefer it really. But not one-sided.

The flippant SELECTIVE complaint by you about a term that unfortunately is too-commonly used here was such bull.....

Nevermind.

Apologies, George. I was just diggin' atcha.

 

[ColumbiaNX01]

This really go out of hand from the OP.

 

[Zeus-cat]

This really go out of hand from the OP.

I disagree. The OP was annoyed with Kapernick (sp?) for not standing for the National Anthem. This discussion has turned into one of whether or not he should do this.

Personally, I stand for the National Anthem and I salute the flag (Congress approved this for veterans a few years ago).

 

[neil_w]

No, this is pretty much what you would expect given the OP.

A few of my random thoughts on this issue, which no one asked for:
1) Kapernick is an employee of a private company, the 49ers. They would have every right to demand that he stand for the national anthem, if they chose to, or discipline him for not doing so.

2) People are free to disagree with or disapprove of Kapernick's method of protesting. HOWEVER: when folks say "he should do it a different way", I think in many cases it means "do it in a way where I don't have to see it". He's a smart guy, he made his protest in a way that ensured it was visible and would generate attention (and, I might add, at great risk to his own career).

3) Arguing that he can't protest cops shooting black people unless he also protests causes X Y and Z is a deflection. Deflecting to the issue of black-on-black crime (also a problem, but a different one) is alluring because then it's "their" problem.

4) Did he really wear a Castro shirt? If so that's just stupid and muddies his message. Praise of Castro from the far-lefters (I'm looking at you Jill Stein) is baffling to me.

 

[mpitfield]

Praise of Castro from the far-lefters (I'm looking at you Jill Stein) is baffling to me.

"Baffling" to you, try having your Prime Minister stand up and give a glowing Eulogy for Castro, now that is puzzling...well sadly not really for our Prime Minister.

 

[ColumbiaNX01]

1) Kapernick is an employee of a private company, the 49ers. They would have every right to demand that he stand for the national anthem, if they chose to, or discipline him for not doing so.

I wonder why they did not ask him to stand? Since they are a private company they have the right to. They could have made him stand, then he refused then the team could have benched him for his actions. He can kneel all he wants its his right to but the team has the right to bench him, which the team should of benched him.

 

[TALON]

4) Did he really wear a Castro shirt? If so that's just stupid and muddies his message. Praise of Castro from the far-lefters (I'm looking at you Jill Stein) is baffling to me.

Here it is. I am NOT saying there isn't racism in America, but Kaepernick is clueless about oppression by wearing this shirt.

 

[Zeus-cat]

"Baffling" to you, try having your Prime Minister stand up and give a glowing Eulogy for Castro, now that is puzzling...well sadly not really for our Prime Minister.

Castro was an oppressive murdering dictator and deserves no praise. And Putin is even worse in my opinion, but some people in the U.S. hold him in very high regard. Did you know that Putin has worked the vast majority of his career for the Soviet/Russian governments, but is now ranked as the 4th richest person in the world by Forbes? If that doesn't make you think of corruption I don't know what could.

 

[ColumbiaNX01]

the powers at be should take Kaepernick and put him a deserted island. If he is only person on the island then he cant complain he is being treated unfairly.

 

[tmacklin]

I think Kaepernick's antics are, for lack of a better word, deplorable.

 

[ThirstyBarbarian]

the powers at be should take Kaepernick and put him a deserted island. If he is only person on the island then he cant complain he is being treated unfairly.

You keep saying he is complaining about himself being treated unfairly. He's not complaining about his salary or privileges that come with being rich. It's about discrimination in the criminal justice system. And as far as I know, he hasn't said that he personally has been mistreated, harassed, or shot by cops. Sometimes a person can be concerned about seeing a problem in society, even if that problem doesn't affect them directly. And when you see something wrong in your country, especially a democratic country with rights like freedom of speech, then the right thing to do is to try to change your country to fix the problem.

You don't expect a democratic country to exile people for speaking out. Is that really the world you want to live in? I know you were probably joking about the deserted island thing. But in the past year or so it seems like a lot of things that would have been passed off as a bad joke are actually taken very seriously by some people. And sometimes people use a "joke" to test the waters to see if their controversial idea might actually have some support. If you're not careful with your jokes, people might actually think you are serious about kicking a black citizen out of the country for complaining about discrimination.

You said earlier you are not sure whether he has a real reason to complain or not --- you don't know much about it. I'm not sure if you are the kind of person who is curious about things you don't understand, or if you like to learn about things that challenge your preconceived notions. But if you are, you might want to watch the movie "13th". It's on Netflix. I thought it was really interesting, and I learned a few things about how the criminal justice system is applied in this country.

I'm white and I've seldom dealt with discrimination personally. If you had asked me 5 or 10 years ago whether the criminal justice system is discriminatory, I would have said it might be a little bit, but not much. And if you'd asked whether blacks have a greater chance of being shot by police, I would have said that it probably wasn't a big difference. But now we've seen a huge number of videos that in my opinion show black people being shot by police in unjustified killings. In the past, I would have had trouble believing it. Now everyone has a video camera on their phone, so we see a lot more of what goes on. It's changed my mind, and I do think the country does have a problem with discriminatory policing.

 

[tmacklin]

It takes two to tango. If you've ever wondered why the cops are so uptight, watch this.

https://channel.nationalgeographic.com/drugs-inc/galleries/sin-dependence-day/at/114-2091080/

 

[ColumbiaNX01]

You keep saying he is complaining about himself being treated unfairly. He's not complaining about his salary or privileges that come with being rich. It's about discrimination in the criminal justice system. And as far as I know, he hasn't said that he personally has been mistreated, harassed, or shot by cops. Sometimes a person can be concerned about seeing a problem in society, even if that problem doesn't affect them directly. And when you see something wrong in your country, especially a democratic country with rights like freedom of speech, then the right thing to do is to try to change your country to fix the problem.

You don't expect a democratic country to exile people for speaking out. Is that really the world you want to live in? I know you were probably joking about the deserted island thing. But in the past year or so it seems like a lot of things that would have been passed off as a bad joke are actually taken very seriously by some people. And sometimes people use a "joke" to test the waters to see if their controversial idea might actually have some support. If you're not careful with your jokes, people might actually think you are serious about kicking a black citizen out of the country for complaining about discrimination.

You said earlier you are not sure whether he has a real reason to complain or not --- you don't know much about it. I'm not sure if you are the kind of person who is curious about things you don't understand, or if you like to learn about things that challenge your preconceived notions. But if you are, you might want to watch the movie "13th". It's on Netflix. I thought it was really interesting, and I learned a few things about how the criminal justice system is applied in this country.

I'm white and I've seldom dealt with discrimination personally. If you had asked me 5 or 10 years ago whether the criminal justice system is discriminatory, I would have said it might be a little bit, but not much. And if you'd asked whether blacks have a greater chance of being shot by police, I would have said that it probably wasn't a big difference. But now we've seen a huge number of videos that in my opinion show black people being shot by police in unjustified killings. In the past, I would have had trouble believing it. Now everyone has a video camera on their phone, so we see a lot more of what goes on. It's changed my mind, and I do think the country does have a problem with discriminatory policing.

I was joking about the island thing.

I actually think that our criminal justice system is great. It is innocent until proven guilty. I know people question that notion but for the post part it is negative public opinion. People are innocent until proven guilty, that is the system of laws we live under. I think white on white, black on black, black on white crime has always been there, it has always happened. I just think in the last 10 years with the left wing media and social media out there has brought it to the forefront of our lives. I think cops do a fantastic job protecting our towns and communities. Its the minority that play what ever card they want to to try to get an advantage over others. I honestly think it is well over blown.

There again its all about public opinion itself. The criminal justice system does its job. Does it get things wrong from time to time, yea. I think if you look at Earth as a whole the USA justice system is the most fair one of any other country in my opinion.

 

[ThirstyBarbarian]

I was joking about the island thing.

I actually think that our criminal justice system is great. It is innocent until proven guilty. I know people question that notion but for the post part it is negative public opinion. People are innocent until proven guilty, that is the system of laws we live under. I think white on white, black on black, black on white crime has always been there, it has always happened. I just think in the last 10 years with the left wing media and social media out there has brought it to the forefront of our lives. I think cops do a fantastic job protecting our towns and communities. Its the minority that play what ever card they want to to try to get an advantage over others. I honestly think it is well over blown.

There again its all about public opinion itself. The criminal justice system does its job. Does it get things wrong from time to time, yea. I think if you look at Earth as a whole the USA justice system is the most fair one of any other country in my opinion.

I think your own opinion might be influenced by the fact that you are not personally affected by the problems other people complain about. I know mine were.

The fact is that the system is not always "innocent until proven guilty". If you have money, then probably it works that way (and it may even be you will not face any penalties at all, even if you ARE guilty). But if you are poor, it doesn't work that way at all. The vast majority of people in our prisons did not face trial and were not proven guilty. Most are there as a result of a plea bargain. And some plead guilty when they are not actually guilty. Sounds stupid, right? Why plead guilty if you are innocent? That's not something you do when you have even a little bit of money, but it does happen when you are poor.

Say you get arrested for something you did not do. You get offered a plea bargain --- plea guilty to a charge and get 3 years in jail, or choose a trial, and face being charged with a greater crime that comes with a 25-year sentence. That's a big risk! But you are not guilty, so you decide you want a trial. Sorry, court system is full, and your trial date is not going to start for at least a couple years. In the meantime, you need to post $20,000 bail, or you need to spend all that time in jail anyway, just awaiting the trial that could send you away for 25 years. Don't have the money? What are you going to do? Spend a couple of years in jail awaiting a trial that could get you 25 years? Or plea to the lesser charge and take the lighter sentence? You might even get out early before your trial would have even started!

That is not a good system.

Watch the the movie I recommended, and you'll see the story of the guy who spent 3 years in prison awaiting his trial, enduring beat downs and solitary confinement. He was innocent and just wanted to prove it in a trial. In the end, there never was a trial, the state just dropped the charges, and he was set free. He was so screwed up by the experience, he eventually committed suicide. This is just one of the many anecdotes in the documentary. It covers a lot of different topics, and it made me realize the system does not work the way I thought a lot of the time.

 

[boatgeek]

I was joking about the island thing.

I actually think that our criminal justice system is great. It is innocent until proven guilty. I know people question that notion but for the post part it is negative public opinion. People are innocent until proven guilty, that is the system of laws we live under. I think white on white, black on black, black on white crime has always been there, it has always happened. I just think in the last 10 years with the left wing media and social media out there has brought it to the forefront of our lives. I think cops do a fantastic job protecting our towns and communities. Its the minority that play what ever card they want to to try to get an advantage over others. I honestly think it is well over blown.

There again its all about public opinion itself. The criminal justice system does its job. Does it get things wrong from time to time, yea. I think if you look at Earth as a whole the USA justice system is the most fair one of any other country in my opinion.

I agree with your last point. On average, I do believe that the US criminal justice system is pretty good. On the other hand Thirsty has some pretty good points above. I also have three quibbles with your first statement.

First of all, media is blowing all violent crime out of proportion, not just unjustified police killings of black people. With a couple of notable exceptions (Chicago is one), violent crime is at near historic lows. For example, in 2016 Seattle had the lowest number of murders since the mid-50's. As a rate per 100,000 residents, it's even lower because the population was 25% smaller then. That same story is true across most of the US. That doesn't stop news outlets from making it sound like we're two steps from the Apocalypse. Some stories get far more coverage than they deserve, particularly dependent on the political leanings of the station owner. I'm looking both left and right on that.

Second, we know a lot more about police shootings now because there is cell phone, dash cam, and body cam video of many shootings. That makes it a lot easier to see what actually happened, as opposed to what officers or eyewitnesses said happened. The worst example I can think of recently was one where cops had a guy on the ground. One of them walks over, yells "GUN!" and shoots the guy. The officers' story was that he was pulling a gun on them. Video showed that wasn't true--the guy wasn't even moving. Most examples aren't that clear cut, but many show clear differences between officer accounts and video evidence.

Third, for good reasons and bad, cops back each other up. That means that the few bad cops (and I really believe there aren't many) get a free pass for the most part. That makes it a lot harder for minority communities to trust cops as a whole if they know that if there is a bad apple out there, other cops will not call him/her out.

Finally, I would have a lot easier time believing this wasn't about race if the NRA had spoken up loudly in favor of the (black) CCP holder who was shot during a traffic stop for the "crime" of telling the responding officer he had a CCP. They didn't, even though it was a clear situation of someone getting killed by police for exercising their Second Amendment rights.

 

[watermelonman]

This really go out of hand from the OP.

I disagree. The OP was annoyed with Kapernick (sp?) for not standing for the National Anthem.

Exactly. Like I said before I saw it as a political post thinly disguised as otherwise, primarily to sneak in a complaint about a celebrity.

 

[tmacklin]

Will Kaepernick be protesting this?

https://heavy.com/news/2017/01/brit...deo-kidnapping-torture-photos-arrested-trump/

 

[Zebedee]

OP is fueled by a massive ignorance and (in his mind) his god given right to rub his opinion in everyone's face at any time and in any place. Don't feed the troll - just block him.

 

[bill2654]

Z you better watch what you are calling my friend. You don't like getting your sensitive little face rubbed in "it", then take your own advice and block him.
PS Kap is a dick.

 

[Zebedee]

Poor reading comprehension and threats - seems about right for a friend of Andrew (PS - 2nd post of the entire thread if you're struggling).

 

[djs]

 

[CzTeacherMan]

 

[djs]

 

[bill2654]

If ya blocked him way back then, wtf are you still doing here trolling?

 

[djs]