18mm D2.3T and C3.4T, 32mm casing and G-12 discontinued

[burkefj]

Aerotech has just released that many of the glider motors are now discontinued until further notice, just the E-6, E-7 remain in the lineup.

These were on the chopping block along with a few 24mm standard reloads good for heavier gliders like the E-11 and F-12

33400 C3.4T-P 18mm RMS-R/C (3-pak)
33400-12 C3.4T-P 18mm RMS R/C (12-pak)
40700 D7-RCT 24mm RMS R/C (3-Pak)
40904 D9-4W 24mm RMS (3-pak) 17
40907 D9-7W 24mm RMS (3-pak) 10
42300 D2.3T-P 18mm RMS R/C (3-Pak)
42300-12 D2.3T-P 18mm RMS R/C (12-Pak)
51103 E11-3J 24mm RMS (3-Pak)
51200 E12-RCJ 24mm R/C (3-Pak)
61203 F12-3J 24mm RMS (3-Pak)
91321 RMS-32/60-100 R/C Motor
91613 F13-RCT 32mm R/C (2-Pak)
91616 F16-RCJ 32mm R/C (2-Pak)
91712 G12-RCT 32mm R/C (2-Pak)

 

[COrocket]

How do you find this list?

 

[burkefj]

How do you find this list?

It was sent to dealers like me for final orders with in stock quantities that were pretty small. There are many other highpower motors as well.

 

[burkefj]

How do you find this list?

Here were the rest:

063714 F37W-14A 29/60 RMS-PLUS
07069P G69N-P 38/120 RMS-PLUS
07339P G339N-P 38/120 RMS-PLUS
08669P H669N-P 38/240 RMS-PLUS
08999P H999N-P 38/360 Reload
09049P I49N-P 38/360 RMS-PLUS
091110 H112J-10A 38/360 RMS-PLUS
0911714 I117FJ-M 54/426 RMS-PLUS
091510 I154J-10A 38/480 RMS-PLUS
091910 I195J-10A 38/600 RMS-PLUS
092214 I225FJ-14A 38/480 RMS-PLUS
0930514 I305FJ-14A 38/600 RMS-PLUS
0936414 I364FJ-14A 38/720 RMS-PLUS
104014 J401FJ-L 54/1280 RMS-PLUS
105114 J510W-14A 38/1320 RMS-PLUS
105214 J520 W-13A 38/1080 RMS-PLUS
1057514 J575FJ-14A 38/1080 Reload
11105P K1050W-P 54/2800 RMS-PLUS
11149P K1499N-P 75/1280 Reload
11250P K250W-P 54mm LMS
11458P K458W-P 98/2560 Reload
11650P K650T-P 98/2560 Reload
11680P K680R-P 98/2560 Reload
11828P K828FJ-P 54/2560 RMS-PLUS
12104P L1040DM-PS 75/5120 Reload
12117P L1170FJ-P 75/5120 Reload
12130P L1300R-P 98/5120 Reload
12136P L1365M-PS 75/5120 Reload
12150P L1500T-P 98/5120 Reload
12339P L339N-P 98/2560 Reload
12952P L952W-P 98/5120 Reload
13130P M1305M-PS 98/7680 Reload
13200P M2000R-P 98/10240 Reload
13750P M750W-P 98/10240 Reload

 

[dhbarr]

Too bad, was hoping to fly some of these some day. Ah well, there's always another reload.

 

[DabCat]

Here were the rest:

063714 F37W-14A 29/60 RMS-PLUS
07069P G69N-P 38/120 RMS-PLUS
07339P G339N-P 38/120 RMS-PLUS
08669P H669N-P 38/240 RMS-PLUS
08999P H999N-P 38/360 Reload
09049P I49N-P 38/360 RMS-PLUS
091110 H112J-10A 38/360 RMS-PLUS
0911714 I117FJ-M 54/426 RMS-PLUS
091510 I154J-10A 38/480 RMS-PLUS
091910 I195J-10A 38/600 RMS-PLUS
092214 I225FJ-14A 38/480 RMS-PLUS
0930514 I305FJ-14A 38/600 RMS-PLUS
0936414 I364FJ-14A 38/720 RMS-PLUS
104014 J401FJ-L 54/1280 RMS-PLUS
105114 J510W-14A 38/1320 RMS-PLUS
105214 J520 W-13A 38/1080 RMS-PLUS
1057514 J575FJ-14A 38/1080 Reload
11105P K1050W-P 54/2800 RMS-PLUS
11149P K1499N-P 75/1280 Reload
11250P K250W-P 54mm LMS
11458P K458W-P 98/2560 Reload
11650P K650T-P 98/2560 Reload
11680P K680R-P 98/2560 Reload
11828P K828FJ-P 54/2560 RMS-PLUS
12104P L1040DM-PS 75/5120 Reload
12117P L1170FJ-P 75/5120 Reload
12130P L1300R-P 98/5120 Reload
12136P L1365M-PS 75/5120 Reload
12150P L1500T-P 98/5120 Reload
12339P L339N-P 98/2560 Reload
12952P L952W-P 98/5120 Reload
13130P M1305M-PS 98/7680 Reload
13200P M2000R-P 98/10240 Reload
13750P M750W-P 98/10240 Reload

Thanks for sharing. I'm pretty sad to see most of these go

 

[aerostadt]

Wow. That is a lot of motors, especially for the glider motors. I am thinking that the 32 mm glider motors are about wiped out.

 

[burkefj]

Wow. That is a lot of motors, especially for the glider motors. I am thinking that the 32 mm glider motors are about wiped out.

Yes, they have about 39 casings in stock for the 32mm but without reloads it doesn't do any good. Fortunately you can use the G-8 or G-12 single use as a pretty good replacement in a lot of cases but at much higher cost per flight....But it will mean the death of my 18mm kits that used the longburn motor, it's a bummer.

 

[smstachwick]

Aerotech has just released that many of the glider motors are now discontinued, just the E-6, E-7 remain

These were on the chopping block along with a few 24mm standard reloads good for heavier gliders like the E-11 and F-12

33400 C3.4T-P 18mm RMS-R/C (3-pak)
33400-12 C3.4T-P 18mm RMS R/C (12-pak)
40700 D7-RCT 24mm RMS R/C (3-Pak)
40904 D9-4W 24mm RMS (3-pak) 17
40907 D9-7W 24mm RMS (3-pak) 10
42300 D2.3T-P 18mm RMS R/C (3-Pak)
42300-12 D2.3T-P 18mm RMS R/C (12-Pak)
51103 E11-3J 24mm RMS (3-Pak)
51200 E12-RCJ 24mm R/C (3-Pak)
61203 F12-3J 24mm RMS (3-Pak)
91321 RMS-32/60-100 R/C Motor
91613 F13-RCT 32mm R/C (2-Pak)
91616 F16-RCJ 32mm R/C (2-Pak)
91712 G12-RCT 32mm R/C (2-Pak)

I never saw much support for the 32mm size. No motor mount tubes or anything on the market. Was that a more common component size in model aviation that AeroTech adapted to rocketry? Or was there another reason for that size?

 

[burkefj]

I never saw much support for the 32mm size. No motor mount tubes or anything on the market. Was that a more common component size in model aviation that AeroTech adapted to rocketry? Or was there another reason for that size?

I assume it was for proprietary reasons, although a BT-55 would fit. It was only used in the Phoenix rocket glider commercially.

 

[cls]

Dang. I liked many motors on the list. D9, F12, G12... E11 was meh. I have some of each still.

The second list is more disturbing. No more H112 or any other 38mm FJ? No L1500T? Wow. No more 98mm coffee can Ks? Darn.

 

[rharshberger]

Aerotech in the AT Open Thread stated the listed motors (full list)are not likely gone permanently but would/could be produced occasionally (maybe once a year). Kind of reminds me of ammo reloading, many calibers of brass are only produced periodically (32-20 Winchester is one iirc) and in limited quantity.

 

[bad_idea]

Kind of reminds me of ammo reloading, many calibers of brass are only produced periodically (32-20 Winchester is one iirc) and in limited quantity.

It's a crime and a shame that the only cartridge to have its own blues standard is so little known and loved today.

(Edit: then again, it's a pretty dark song all things considered.)

 

[smstachwick]

Aerotech in the AT Open Thread stated the listed motors (full list)are not likely gone permanently but would/could be produced occasionally (maybe once a year). Kind of reminds me of ammo reloading, many calibers of brass are only produced periodically (32-20 Winchester is one iirc) and in limited quantity.

It makes sense. Why have the machines for a slow-moving product moving all the time when this other approach satisfies existing demand more profitably?

 

[rharshberger]

It makes sense. Why have the machines for a slow-moving product moving all the time when this other approach satisfies existing demand more profitably?

An creates an artificial demand (think Disney vault) for periodic items, at the same time it free's up equipment for making more of popular loads.

 

[smstachwick]

An creates an artificial demand (think Disney vault) for periodic items, at the same time it free's up equipment for making more of popular loads.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Initiator001]

I never saw much support for the 32mm size. No motor mount tubes or anything on the market. Was that a more common component size in model aviation that AeroTech adapted to rocketry? Or was there another reason for that size?

It was done to keep people from trying to 'fly' the R/C glider motors in model rockets.

Interesting note. An Estes D12 motor will fit in the RMS-32 casing. We took a D12, put an E6 nozzle and O-ring over the D12 nozzle, screwed it all together and fired the motor. This raised the motor's performance because the case could handle more pressure. The total impulse registered as 22 N-sec, a low 'E' motor.

 

[rharshberger]

It was done to keep people from trying to 'fly' the R/C glider motors in model rockets.

Interesting note. An Estes D12 motor will fit in the RMS-32 casing. We took a D12, put an E6 nozzle and O-ring over the D12 nozzle, screwed it all together and fired the motor. This raised the motor's performance because the case could handle more pressure. The total impulse registered as 22 N-sec, a low 'E' motor.

Now that is an interesting piece of trivia!

 

[smstachwick]

It was done to keep people from trying to 'fly' the R/C glider motors in model rockets.

That’s funny, I was hoping to do exactly that one of these days. Get rod clearance speeds somehow, perhaps an oversized piston launcher, and have fully electronic deployment. But I guess the goal of keeping newcomers from just shoving it in a stock Initiator without knowing anything is fulfilled.

 

[Ez2cDave]

Aerotech has just released that many of the glider motors are now discontinued, just the E-6, E-7 remain

These were on the chopping block along with a few 24mm standard reloads good for heavier gliders like the E-11 and F-12

33400 C3.4T-P 18mm RMS-R/C (3-pak)
33400-12 C3.4T-P 18mm RMS R/C (12-pak)
40700 D7-RCT 24mm RMS R/C (3-Pak)
40904 D9-4W 24mm RMS (3-pak) 17
40907 D9-7W 24mm RMS (3-pak) 10
42300 D2.3T-P 18mm RMS R/C (3-Pak)
42300-12 D2.3T-P 18mm RMS R/C (12-Pak)
51103 E11-3J 24mm RMS (3-Pak)
51200 E12-RCJ 24mm R/C (3-Pak)
61203 F12-3J 24mm RMS (3-Pak)
91321 RMS-32/60-100 R/C Motor
91613 F13-RCT 32mm R/C (2-Pak)
91616 F16-RCJ 32mm R/C (2-Pak)
91712 G12-RCT 32mm R/C (2-Pak)

Wow, Frank . . .

That is really going to suck for your RC gliders, that use the long-burn motors.

What are your motor plans, going forward ?

Dave F.

 

[burkefj]

Aerotech in the AT Open Thread stated the listed motors (full list)are not likely gone permanently but would/could be produced occasionally (maybe once a year). Kind of reminds me of ammo reloading, many calibers of brass are only produced periodically (32-20 Winchester is one iirc) and in limited quantity.

Unfortunately I don't think that will pan out in a lot of cases due to required minimum order amounts, typically 100-200 motors or 3-packs for them to consider a run. For example the 18mm D2.3T RC reloads I was told I would need to order 200 3 packs for them to consider it, that's nearly 3K investment for a stock of about 3-4 years of sales and personal use flights. I've had them do custom runs of the single use E-6RC plugged motors so my customers would have a SU option that didn't want to invest in casings, it's usually 100 motors minimum and that lasts me for about 2 years.

It's hard to sell kits for something that only has one motor source because people want options. In this particular case there may be someone willing to do just that for the internats teams usage that may allow me to keep flying them myself. Not sure there is anyone willing to do that for the C3.4 reloads or others. We'll see how it pans out.

I certainly understand the business reasons for doing it, just sad because these are a really neat little motor.

 

[burkefj]

Now that is an interesting piece of trivia!

Stuffing the bp motor into the 32mm casing also saves the model from internal destruction if/when the bp motor catos

 

[rharshberger]

Unfortunately I don't think that will pan out in a lot of cases due to required minimum order amounts, typically 100-200 motors or 3-packs for them to consider a run. For example the 18mm D2.3T RC reloads I was told I would need to order 200 3 packs for them to consider it, that's nearly 3K investment for a stock of about 3-4 years of sales and personal use flights. I've had them do custom runs of the single use E-6RC plugged motors so my customers would have a SU option that didn't want to invest in casings, it's usually 100 motors minimum and that lasts me for about 2 years.

It's hard to sell kits for something that only has one motor source because people want options. In this particular case there may be someone willing to do just that for the internats teams usage that may allow me to keep flying them myself. Not sure there is anyone willing to do that for the C3.4 reloads or others. We'll see how it pans out.

I certainly understand the business reasons for doing it, just sad because these are a really neat little motor.

I understand your perspective and definitely sympathize with you. AT cut the motor choices for the 38/120 and 38/1030 in half, but the motors you need are very specific and not having choices definitely places limitations on you.

 

[TheTank]

As I dont see it on the list... would the F12-5 still be available? From a glider perspective, I dont load the EC so i dont really worry about the delay length.

in HP, I am sorry to to see the L 1635M and the M1305M go. :-( I have an L1365M I am hoping to fly next month. Been looking forward to that one.

 

[cerving]

Lots of motors on that list. Is that J520W the non-hazmat motor? Interesting...

 

[burkefj]

As I dont see it on the list... would the F12-5 still be available? From a glider perspective, I dont load the EC so i dont really worry about the delay length.

in HP, I am sorry to to see the L 1635M and the M1305M go. :-( I have an L1365M I am hoping to fly next month. Been looking forward to that one.

Aeroteh confirmed the f12 5-second delay is still going to be supported

 

[dhbarr]

It was done to keep people from trying to 'fly' the R/C glider motors in model rockets.

Interesting note. An Estes D12 motor will fit in the RMS-32 casing. We took a D12, put an E6 nozzle and O-ring over the D12 nozzle, screwed it all together and fired the motor. This raised the motor's performance because the case could handle more pressure. The total impulse registered as 22 N-sec, a low 'E' motor.

That's a very cool piece of trivia, thanks for the details.

 

[Rocketjunkie]

Here were the rest:

063714 F37W-14A 29/60 RMS-PLUS
07069P G69N-P 38/120 RMS-PLUS
07339P G339N-P 38/120 RMS-PLUS
08669P H669N-P 38/240 RMS-PLUS
08999P H999N-P 38/360 Reload
09049P I49N-P 38/360 RMS-PLUS
091110 H112J-10A 38/360 RMS-PLUS
0911714 I117FJ-M 54/426 RMS-PLUS
091510 I154J-10A 38/480 RMS-PLUS
091910 I195J-10A 38/600 RMS-PLUS
092214 I225FJ-14A 38/480 RMS-PLUS
0930514 I305FJ-14A 38/600 RMS-PLUS
0936414 I364FJ-14A 38/720 RMS-PLUS
104014 J401FJ-L 54/1280 RMS-PLUS
105114 J510W-14A 38/1320 RMS-PLUS
105214 J520 W-13A 38/1080 RMS-PLUS
1057514 J575FJ-14A 38/1080 Reload
11105P K1050W-P 54/2800 RMS-PLUS
11149P K1499N-P 75/1280 Reload
11250P K250W-P 54mm LMS
11458P K458W-P 98/2560 Reload
11650P K650T-P 98/2560 Reload
11680P K680R-P 98/2560 Reload
11828P K828FJ-P 54/2560 RMS-PLUS
12104P L1040DM-PS 75/5120 Reload
12117P L1170FJ-P 75/5120 Reload
12130P L1300R-P 98/5120 Reload
12136P L1365M-PS 75/5120 Reload
12150P L1500T-P 98/5120 Reload
12339P L339N-P 98/2560 Reload
12952P L952W-P 98/5120 Reload
13130P M1305M-PS 98/7680 Reload
13200P M2000R-P 98/10240 Reload
13750P M750W-P 98/10240 Reload

H999 flown several. Always impresses the crowd! Try one in a LOC High Tech H45
I49 also fun in the High Tech
Not much of a fan of the J and FJ motors.
I don't have any of the 1 grain cases, I just use the next smaller diameter.
Sorry to see the K250 go. Need to go back to the original SU motor.
DM people love even with the crappy performance, M not so much.
Sorry to see the L952, L1500T and M750W go, I like both.

 

[jmasterj]

Lots of motors on that list. Is that J520W the non-hazmat motor? Interesting...

Yeah, the non-haz J.

 

[burkefj]

Yeah, the non-haz J.

And the J510 was the only load for the 1320 casing..