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I live in the suburbs of a large metropolitan area with a sizeable international population so I'm a bit concerned.

Yesterday I bought another long term water storage barrel from Sportsman's Warehouse. Never hurts to be prepared.

Rocketeers are probably more prepared for a pandemic than most. We generally use and keep nitrile gloves, N95 masks, and duct tape. Now to find some of those spiffy tyvek suits...

Read today about a judge who visited the ebola patient's apartment, hugged the exposed people, and proudly wore the same shirt to the press conference he gave. He said he planned to wear the shirt home and hug his wife and kids.

Things like this is why I'm concerned.

BTW, AirFrance and British Airways have suspended all flights from the ebola region of Africa. Hmmm...
 
o1d_dude said:
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Read today about a judge who visited the ebola patient's apartment, hugged the exposed people, and proudly wore the same shirt to the press conference he gave. He said he planned to wear the shirt home and hug his wife and kids.

Things like this is why I'm concerned.

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Dallas County judge Clay Jenkins; he's been very prominent in this thing from day 1. Seemed to me to be a strong and calming voice during early press conferences. Not sure about his "hands-on" approach. Inspiring leader ? Cowboy politician ? Latter day John Wayne ?
 
samb said:
Dallas County judge Clay Jenkins; he's been very prominent in this thing from day 1. Seemed to me to be a strong and calming voice during early press conferences. Not sure about his "hands-on" approach. Inspiring leader ? Cowboy politician ? Latter day John Wayne ?
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Darwin Award Candidate?
 
I think it's interesting that a post I made in this thread which made a joke about an "Ebola Free Zone" sign was removed very quickly, but a post that roots for the virus and the death of countless people remains.

Very eye opening!!
 
Mushtang said:
I think it's interesting that a post I made in this thread which made a joke about an "Ebola Free Zone" sign was removed very quickly, but a post that roots for the virus and the death of countless people remains.

Very eye opening!!
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It most likely has not been seen by the authorities yet!
 
Your "prepared for anything" bureaucracies "at work," episode googolplex:

Ebola waste disposal has proven a thorny issue: CDC

https://news.yahoo.com/ebola-waste-disposal-proven-thorny-issue-cdc-201848759.html

Excerpt:

Conflicting U.S. regulations on transporting such waste caused officials to scramble even before the Dallas Ebola case.

Few U.S. hospitals are equipped with incinerators or large sterilizers called autoclaves needed to safely handle soiled linens, contaminated syringes and virus-spattered protective gear generated from the care of an Ebola patient. The waste needs to be treated before it can travel over public roads.

The CDC advises hospitals to treat items infected with the Ebola virus in leak-proof containers and discard them as they would other regulated medical waste.

However, the Transportation Department classifies Ebola as a Category A infectious agent, meaning it is capable of killing people, rather than as regulated medical waste, which includes non-lethal pathogens.
 
Mushtang said:
I think it's interesting that a post I made in this thread which made a joke about an "Ebola Free Zone" sign was removed very quickly, but a post that roots for the virus and the death of countless people remains.

Very eye opening!!
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If it is offensive, I'll get rid of it myself.
 
Mushtang said:
I think it's interesting that a post I made in this thread which made a joke about an "Ebola Free Zone" sign was removed very quickly, but a post that roots for the virus and the death of countless people remains.

Very eye opening!!
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Moderation hypocrisy and one-sidedness is nothing new.

In early August, a post from one person told me to pretty much go ____ myself. 22 hours later, after I saw it, I told that person they could do the same thing, using the same code phrase he used. MY post was edited by the moderators within 20 minutes, HIS post with the exact same wording was NOT touched whatsoever.

- George Gassaway
 
Patient Zero has died in Dallas.

In other news, health authorities are evaluating a first responder who was at Patient Zero's apartment and is now displaying symptoms. There was a great deal of news video coverage of the first responders and their activities at Patient One? Two? home and resulting transport to hospital. Lots of bubble wear and hazmat precautions being taken.
 
Fdog said:
This is all such old news.

May I suggest an excellent read:

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Written in 1994, this book is a truly eye-opening look into what is (and isn't) happening now.

The opening quote is blood-chilling:




All the best, James
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I bought that book when it first came out. Excellent book.
 
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o1d_dude said:
In other news, health authorities are evaluating a first responder who was at Patient Zero's apartment and is now displaying symptoms.
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The media is finally getting a clue that I got months ago from my own research that while Ebola is not an "airborne transmission" virus by the technical definition of that term, transmission via "direct contact" with the secretions of victims includes direct contact with aerosols (droplet transmission). That's the reason for the heavy protective gear you see health workers wearing (the goggles and masks). Thus, as I have said, the term "direct contact" is highly misleading since virus laden droplets can float into "direct contact" with others (into the mouth, lungs, and eyes).

The "more easily than assumed" in the article title below should be interpreted as "more easily than assumed when based upon a misleading interpretation of the term 'airborne'". The WHO and CDC have always required droplet protection for health workers around Ebola. That's why I began investigating the "not airborne" claims:

Some Ebola experts worry virus may spread more easily than assumed

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ebola-questions-20141007-story.html#page=1

Excerpt:

"Other public health officials have voiced similar assurances, saying Ebola is spread only through physical contact with a symptomatic individual or their bodily fluids. "Ebola is not transmitted by the air. It is not an airborne infection," said Dr. Edward Goodman of Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas, where the Liberian patient remains in critical condition."

That's absolutely correct by the medical definition of the term "airborne transmission." However, the next question should then be, "Then why do the CDC and WHO require droplet protection for health workers working around Ebola?" which would then lead to the discovery that "airborne transmission" is defined as tiny viruses suspended in the air which cannot be filtered out by the N95 face masks Ebola workers wear while "droplet transmission" can be. This would then lead to the realization that while droplet transmission is airborne transmission, it doesn't fit the technical definition of airborne transmission. But we're talking about mostly journalism majors, so ignorant reporting without questioning is to be expected.

Previous strains of Ebola have had different effects than the current one which might therefore be different in more ways than just its presentation and its apparently reduced lethality. A bit more truth is highlighted in bold.:

"In the current West Africa outbreak, about 18 percent of people infected with the virus are developing hemorrhagic syndrome, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Typically, the Ebola virus leads to hemorrhagic syndrome about 30 percent to 50 percent of the time, said Angela Rasmussen, a research assistant professor of microbiology at the University of Washington.

"I have heard speculation that a lower incidence of hemorrhagic syndrome may explain why the outbreak may not have been recognized early on as [being caused by] Ebola," Rasmussen said, "since it was geographically outside of what we previously thought was the range for Zaire Ebola virus, and since without hemorrhage, it appears similar to malaria or typhoid."

Ebola's mechanisms aren't entirely known, but like other severe viral infections, it starts with a fever, which is often followed by vomiting, diarrhea, body aches and nausea."

All of that said, Ebola is still not a very rapid multiplier:

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CzTeacherMan said:
Do it. Paint it red and fecal brown.... That'll be attractive. LoL....
Sorry, I'm a sick person.
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I don't like that Color Scheme. I will have a Story behind the Rocket though, and that will be that it is used as a Biological Weapon to deliver an enhanced Airborn Strain of the Virus.
It will be a Military looking thing, based on Artillery Rocket Designs used successfully in the past as Chemical Delivery Systems for stuff like VX.
 
So the dude that lied to get into our country and brought Ebola to Texas died last week, and over the weekend we hear that a nurse that was caring for him is now tested positive for Ebola.

Supposedly she'd taken precautions against the transmission. Before this I felt safe. I believed the reports that our hospitals, being far superior to those in Africa in so many ways, were not at risk of allowing Ebola to spread.

"They" are saying that the nurse only had contact with one other person and he's in quarantine now, but these are the same people that told us last week that Ebola couldn't spread in the USA. I'm not sure if I believe them anymore.

Someone in charge should have shut down the flow of people from West Africa into the country for a while. Other countries have done this, it's not like it wouldn't be understandable with the given situation. Are we not doing this because it wouldn't be PC to do?
 
Largely, as I understand it, the reason is that any kind of outright travel ban is simply impractical. Imagine that there was some kind of epidemic in Kentucky. You could close all the airports in Louisville and Lexinton, but you can have this disease for three weeks before you even know that you have it, so infected people would just fly out of Nashville, Indianapolis, and Charlotte.

So then you are left with banning any traveler whose home is in one of those countres. But then you'd still miss all of the people from other countries who had been there, or had come in contact with infected people at the airport in some other country.

But eventually, we may get to a place where more draconian measures need to be taken.

At this point the CDC is saying that they think the infected nurse failed to follow "protocol" at some point, but they aren't elaborating to say exactly what mistakes were made.

Mushtang said:
So the dude that lied to get into our country and brought Ebola to Texas died last week, and over the weekend we hear that a nurse that was caring for him is now tested positive for Ebola.

Supposedly she'd taken precautions against the transmission. Before this I felt safe. I believed the reports that our hospitals, being far superior to those in Africa in so many ways, were not at risk of allowing Ebola to spread.

"They" are saying that the nurse only had contact with one other person and he's in quarantine now, but these are the same people that told us last week that Ebola couldn't spread in the USA. I'm not sure if I believe them anymore.

Someone in charge should have shut down the flow of people from West Africa into the country for a while. Other countries have done this, it's not like it wouldn't be understandable with the given situation. Are we not doing this because it wouldn't be PC to do?
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I for one can't wait til' all this Political Correctness Crap finally.......
 
Peartree said:
At this point the CDC is saying that they think the infected nurse failed to follow "protocol" at some point, but they aren't elaborating to say exactly what mistakes were made.
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They don't know what protocol was broken. I'm sure they have talked to the nurse but she cannot recall making any lapse or mistake in the procedure. From what I have read she was a fairly recent graduate and probably did not have enough training on the procedures. Most likely she was handed a phamphlet while another nurse, one who probably recieved the same "training" just a few days ago, briefly told her the main points followed by "it's all in this".

I also think that the garments that US hospitals intend to use to guard against infection are inadaquate.

Doctors Without Borders uses a buddy system. One watches the other complete a step in the procedure then they reverse roles. Each will visually inspect the other person's suit closures to make sure there are no gaps. If a gap is found it is corrected. When treating a patient one watches and the other treats then for the next patient the roles are reversed. This way the one treating can interact as they normally would with the patient while the other is watching for protective breaches or breaks in protocol.

Unfortunately, the US hospitals, even the "non-profit" and "not for profit" hospitals, are more worried about the bottom line and budgets than their workers' safety and the general public. The truly protective suits cost more money than the garments they have already bought and the hospitals do not want to have to pay two nurses, one of which is doing nothing but watching the other, as the first connects a patient to a dialysis machine for treatment for the time of putting on the gear, doing the treatment, and removing and disposing of the protective gear which is discarded after one use.

Right now it is still about money and not public health.
 
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