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The USPS also plans to cut out door to door delivery over several years. This simply means they won't deliver all the way to the house like they do now. Curbside delivery will still continue. I have always lived in houses with curbside delivery so nothing will really change for me unless they decide to go to community mail boxes for everyone.
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This makes me realize that I miss your rocket threads. Please build something!
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If they got rid of the junk mail, they could deliver my boxes and the occasional bill once every 2 weeks. I'd be fine with that.
Garbage collection would need fewer trucks too without the junk mail. Could also send it directly to the landfill and cutout the middle man.
Garbage collection would need fewer trucks too without the junk mail. Could also send it directly to the landfill and cutout the middle man.
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They'll probably start with the front door slots first. A lot of older homes in my area have either a slot in the front door or a wall mounted mailbox. Takes 3X the carriers to cover those neighborhoods compared to 1X for regular curbside mailbox and about 1/3X for community boxes. I am surprised they still service those slot/wall type boxes at all.
I have a locking curbside box. I sunk it into a nice slump block red brick capped monolith about 18x18x54 that matches the house and my front patio wall nicely. Most of my neighbors have something like this with lighting and the address on them too. Looks nice. We would all probably have to demo them if they went away, and frankly I don't want a community box. Community boxes get broken into all the time in these parts because one lock opens about 20 boxes and they can do it from behind where they cannot be seen during the crime. They are usually along a side street along a wall too, perfect place to get broken into.
Now if the Post office could only fix the leak in the S-10/grumman/van thingy so the postman stops leaving oil drops on the sidewalk in front of all the boxes.
I have a locking curbside box. I sunk it into a nice slump block red brick capped monolith about 18x18x54 that matches the house and my front patio wall nicely. Most of my neighbors have something like this with lighting and the address on them too. Looks nice. We would all probably have to demo them if they went away, and frankly I don't want a community box. Community boxes get broken into all the time in these parts because one lock opens about 20 boxes and they can do it from behind where they cannot be seen during the crime. They are usually along a side street along a wall too, perfect place to get broken into.
Now if the Post office could only fix the leak in the S-10/grumman/van thingy so the postman stops leaving oil drops on the sidewalk in front of all the boxes.
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Thanks for the compliment. I need to fly what I have more!! Then I'll lose a couple! :wink:
I was really hoping Proline would come through with the 8" V2... but doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon.
I'm becoming convinced I was the last holdout.
I just wonder if the USPS is in a death spiral,... or if their is a business model that works. Would be no great inconvenience to go to 2 days a week for regular mail... Could probe reduce workforce 50%. But that'll won't happen quickly enough to save the USPS.
Bottom line is 99% of what gets delivered by regular mail is unnecessary.
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Not by a long shot. At less than $0.50 per parcel USPS is too cheap to ignore. Not that I am uncomfortable with online bill pay, but it is not always available in rural America. I would much rather go to the post office than have to deal with local yokel townspeople and their gossip to pay monthly to pay my bills, well worth $0.50 to avoid.
I do agree however junk mail is a real problem, but I love the suggestion to send the junk back using the enclosed "prepaid" envelope to return the junk to sender at whatever bargain basement pricing they receive. I am only nervous they will ignore the big bold red "VOID" and just take the reply as an acceptance for whatever junk is being peddled.
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You may consider it unnecessary, but the companies sending you the stuff via mail certainly think it is necessary. Companies wouldn't send out junk mail if there wasn't a return on their investment.
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Then they should pay the same rates to mail their garbage as everyone else does to send their stuff through the mail... nobody sends anything "just on a lark" that I can tell...
WHY should they get a discount just because they're sending a garbage truck full of trash?? After all, whatever letter or parcel *I* send is just as important to me as their garbage is to them... and *I* have to pay full rates, no matter what it is *I* send. So, these companies should have to pay the same rate I do, without "bulk discounts".
Of course, the postal service offers those "bulk discounts" to encourage companies to send out lots of junk, and thus give them something to do, and to get income from those bulk mail contracts. If they didn't offer those "sweetheart deals" to junk mailers, those companies would be sending out a LOT less junk mail-- as you said, the higher cost would lower the economic justification threshold for mailing out massive amounts of junk-- they'd have to be a LOT more careful in just who they targeted with their mailings, in order to get the most sales versus what they were spending on mailings and postage, IE get the most "bang for the buck" instead of just "carpet bombing" EVERYBODY with junk mail, and then looking at sales versus mailing expenses on discount bulk mail contracts...
Personally, I NEVER buy from bulk mailers... it goes straight into the trash... At least all those "boxholder" crap and sales papers make good tapers for getting the garbage fire lit...
Later! OL JR
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True. It's cost effective BECAUSE they get a HUGE discount. I don't even look at it. I sort the mail outside,... and in the trash it goes. 1 synapse fires... keep or trash...
IF the spammers (that is what junk mailers are,... they just target a hard inbox instead of an "e" inbox) were required to pay full rate,... junk mail would drop dramatically.
Unfortunately,... the spammers have an ally in the USPS. They (USPS) need the business... and in that way, the discount rate the spammers pay heavily subsidizes the 1st class rate.
The only way to beat junk mail will be get the environmentalists on the anti-junk mail campaign... calculate carbon emissions,... trees killed,... gasoline consumed in delivery... it'd be a huge number.
Then they should pay the same rates to mail their garbage as everyone else does to send their stuff through the mail... nobody sends anything "just on a lark" that I can tell...
WHY should they get a discount just because they're sending a garbage truck full of trash?? After all, whatever letter or parcel *I* send is just as important to me as their garbage is to them... and *I* have to pay full rates, no matter what it is *I* send. So, these companies should have to pay the same rate I do, without "bulk discounts".
Of course, the postal service offers those "bulk discounts" to encourage companies to send out lots of junk, and thus give them something to do, and to get income from those bulk mail contracts. If they didn't offer those "sweetheart deals" to junk mailers, those companies would be sending out a LOT less junk mail-- as you said, the higher cost would lower the economic justification threshold for mailing out massive amounts of junk-- they'd have to be a LOT more careful in just who they targeted with their mailings, in order to get the most sales versus what they were spending on mailings and postage, IE get the most "bang for the buck" instead of just "carpet bombing" EVERYBODY with junk mail, and then looking at sales versus mailing expenses on discount bulk mail contracts...
Personally, I NEVER buy from bulk mailers... it goes straight into the trash... At least all those "boxholder" crap and sales papers make good tapers for getting the garbage fire lit...
Later! OL JR
Yup.
There are environmental groups lobbying to reduce junk mail due to the environmental costs of junk mail. The ironic thing is most of those same groups use mail to solicit donations.
Bulk mailers get discounts because they do things to reduce the cost of delivering their mail. Mailers can also get discounts on 1st class mail by presorting mail. My employer does some bulk mail as a very small part of our business. The USPS has increased bulk mail costs enough that my employer switched to using our own carriers to deliver our product earlier in 2013. We ended up switching most or all of the deliveries back to the USPS because we had no receptacle to deliver the product and people complained.
Bulk mailers get discounts because they do things to reduce the cost of delivering their mail. Mailers can also get discounts on 1st class mail by presorting mail. My employer does some bulk mail as a very small part of our business. The USPS has increased bulk mail costs enough that my employer switched to using our own carriers to deliver our product earlier in 2013. We ended up switching most or all of the deliveries back to the USPS because we had no receptacle to deliver the product and people complained.
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